The American Beagler Forum

To those people still unconvinced that feeding 'raw' is vastly superior to feeding 'kibble,' perhaps the following will convince you. I ask that you do the following on a nice warm spring or summer day, or even now (if you're not already snowed-in):


1) Take 1 lb of whatever brand of kibble you use, and dump it in a pile in your yard;
2) Take 1 lb of fresh chicken, fresh eggs & fresh yogurt and dump it in a pile in your yard.


Then I would like you to come back and look at the status of each in a) 1 hour; b) 1 day; c) 1 week; and d) 1 month. Every single one of you will make the following notations:

* Within 1 hour, nothing will have happened to the kibble;
* Within 1 hour, flies, ants, and other organisms will have begun to feed off the fresh meats, etc.

* Within 1 day, nothing will have happened to the kibble;
* Within 1 day, most of the fresh meats, etc. will be devoured, if not all of it.

* Within 1 week, nothing will have happened to the kibble;
* Within 1 week, every trace of the fresh meats, etc. will be gone.

* Within 1 month, some mold will have grown on the kibble, but it will essentially still look the same;
* Within 1 month, every trace of the fresh meats, etc. will be gone.


Now, I want you to stop and really think about that for a minute. Just think about the implications as to the difference in 'digestibility' going on in your dogs, between their being able to derive their nutrients from 'kibble' versus their being able to derive their nutrients from fresh, raw, wholesome foods. The term 'biological availablity' has to do with the body's ability to 'make available' the nutrients in a food, and so what do you think the above phenomena tells anyone with a brain about the difference in 'biological availablity' between the little brown pellets we call 'kibble' versus raw, wholesome fresh foods? Do you think you could keep 40 lb of raw meat 'fresh' in a bag for a month---yet you can do this with kibble! Do you ever ask yourself WHY kibble doesn't decompose?

Do you wonder WHY dogs fed raw have almost no stool (and what little they do have is tiny and firm), while dogs fed kibble leave big, nasty piles of soft, stinky poop? Well, the reason is dogs are able to process and utilize almost every bit of a raw meat diet they eat, which is WHY they leave almost nothing left at the end of a digestion cycle ... while dogs are hardly able to use any of the kibble they eat, which is WHY they poop-out 3x as much stool at the end of a digestion cycle, and why said stool is presented to you in a BIG, SOFT, STINKY pile at the end. More waste = less used by the dog. Less waste = more used by the dog.

If the very fact you can leave a 1-lb pile of kibble out in the elements ... and it still looks the same after a month ... doesn't tell a person how WORTHLESS kibble is nutritionally ... then I am afraid there in no lightbulb between their ears for them to see straight.

But, to those of you who are still feeding the utter garbage called kibble ... IF there is a lightbulb in there somewhere ... and IF you care enough about your dogs to actually do the extra work necessary to provide them with truly good nutrition ... then I suggest you get busy and start doing it. Pour a pile of kibble outside and see for yourself what it looks like a month later. Realize how VALUELESS kibble is nutritionally, to be able to just 'sit there' like that, unused by any of God's creatures (however great or small) ... and then see how quickly a pile of fresh meats, eggs, and yogurts gets consumed by every creature under the sun when you put IT out there

There is no denying these facts, there is only refusing to accept or understand what these facts imply. You can never break the basic laws and principles of Nature, you can only break your dogs against these laws and principles by refusing to honor them.

And the truth is, feeding your dogs the little burned, brown pellets we call 'kibble' is not good for any of them in the long-term, as they simply cannot process most of it, and they simply derive very little nutrients from it. Kibble may keep dogs 'alive' ... but it will never cause dogs to THRIVE. Please don't tell the world 'how long' you've fed kibble, as if that is 'proof' of anything other than how long you've skimped on your dogs' nutritional needs. That would be tantamount to a parent telling the world how many children they've raised on over-cooked, over-processed McDonald's French fries as being 'proof' of the great nutritional value of this terrible, useless food item when compared to truly wholesome foods. Please. Just don't. Just because some kids can "live" when fed lousy food by their parents does not mean what they're being fed is the best that can be done for them ... and just because dogs can "live" when fed the little brown nuggets we call kibble doesn't mean it's the best you can do to feed them, either.

In the end, buying an expensive dog, and then feeding it kibble, is tantamount to buying a Ferrari and then trying to run it on cheap low-octane gas: it is foolish---because the precision machine will eventually start to 'ping' after awhile being given an inappropriate fuel. If you're going to invest the money in a Ferrari, it is much more intelligent to put the best and most appropriate fuel INto the carefully-balanced machine if you expect to get the best and most satisfying performance OUT of the machine ... and any fool should be able to see this.

Well folks, this same basic truth applies to dogs, bottom line, and yet most people simply do not have the basic horse sense (or the basic and honest concern for their prize animals) to just accept this FACT, and to make it their business to follow its implications, by seeing to it that their prize dogs eat the best RAW, WHOLESOME foods possible. And the funny (actually sad) thing is, you can feed a raw diet for LESS than what you're paying for kibble

Jack



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very understandable, are there any recipes that a person can use to make a raw diet,and then store it in bulk or someway to feed a kennel full.
if i only had a few head i would few raw for sure.
in the past i have added other foods to kibble.
lets hear some recipes.

dave404 wrote:very understandable, are there any recipes that a person can use to make a raw diet,and then store it in bulk or someway to feed a kennel full.
if i only had a few head i would few raw for sure.
in the past i have added other foods to kibble.
lets hear some recipes.

Lets hear some recipes? Just got a great hook up on all the free meat and saw scraps I can get from my local meat market store. I need to know how to feed this to my hounds. Thanks in advance.
Elliott

Well, I have some basic ones in my book, and I actually posted a fairly easy one to do on one of these other 'nutrition' threads awhile back.

The thing is, there are a wide variety of ways to feed raw ... but the most important things to remember are to include bones (cheeses, yogurts, egg shells, etc.) to make sure that there is plenty of CALCIUM provided to offset the phosphorus and nitrogen in raw meats. Feeding only meats is actually bad. Feeding meats with little or no fat (deer, rabbit) can be bad also.

Dogs derive optimal energy from FATS and OILS and don't really even need carbohydrates at all (though they can use them, if properly processed). As a matter of fact, the entire "kibbling process" (of cooking the kibble) is designed SO THAT the dogs are actually able to process the corns, wheats, and rices ... as, without heating, these carb sources would come out of the dog looking exactly the same as they went in.

The trouble is, in cooking the bejesus out of the carbs (so that the dogs can process them), the integrity of the meats is destroyed ... which is what the dogs really need in the first place

The absolute best thing you can feed dogs is raw, whole animals, for that is what they eat in nature. Barring this, then some mix of meats, fats/oils, bones, chheses/yogurts, eggs/shells, organ meats, etc. is the next best thing you can do ... so if you have learned how/where to get these items cheaply, you can then feed your dogs FAR better than feeding them kibble, for a fraction of the cost.

Yes, it takes a bit longer to prepare, but the long-term results you will achieve will make it very worth your while. Most people look at feeding their dogs as "an expense" ... but I look at is as an investment into the long-term health, happiness, athletic ability, and reproductive longevity of my animals ... as well as my duty as the person confining them and supplying them with their livelihood.

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i THOUGHT ABOUT THE RAW DIET AND ABOUT A BEAGLE GETTING A CHICKEN BONE STUCK IN ITS THROAT OR BELLY..THEM BONES ARE SHARP WHEN BROKEN AFTER YOU SHOOT THEM ( RABBITS ) i EXPECT CHICKEN TO BE THE SAME.....How do you deal with the bones? Do we cut them up? or just give them a chicken thigh bone whole and raw??
I have mulled over the idea of feeding raw..I even saved about 5 lbs of chicken thighbones only to throw them out after thinking about the dangers of the bones getting stuck somewhere or splintering and piercing an intestine....

Help me to understand this..

Thanks