I.F.C. MJR Argentevil Striker

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:04 pm

I have two littermate sisters out of Striker and a Gentle George bitch. They are 8 months old and can run a rabbit right. Every breath chop mouths. They have been running since 4 months old. Matt Glomski

King's Way · Post by **King's Way** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:34 pm

Sounds like just what I need as far as a little more control with the same type of speed. That is the only fault I have against my M.R. Tyler male is he could get a little tighter in his check area for trialing but just for pleasure running you better bring a good old dog if you are going to try to beat me. He is 12 twelve months old and still here and if you knew me you would know to be a male and stay here he has intently earned it.
I never like to take a step backwards in hunt when breeding my dogs because it is about my third highest traits I look for when buying or breeding. You are right; my Paycheck hounds are going to go find a rabbit it doesn't matter what I do or how hot it is(big factor in Ky.) That is why I keep a little Spur breeding in my Paycheck dogs also so you can see the type of hunt I want.
I want the type of aggressiveness you talk about in Duce as far as pushing for the front and yet have good control but it does not matter to me if they hunt close or wide. Who gives a rip, just find me a rabbit within hearing distance and I can move to the dogs. I'd rather have to move to a dog that is a little far off but at least has a rabbit than to look over at a close dog just wagging his tail and hoping he gets one. And as for starting early, I don't start mine until 7 or 8 months anyway so at least they are big enough to run and get through the cover and stay up with the others.
Rob I really appreciate your help and honesty VERY MUCH. It is hard for some reason to find people to just tell you the truth without all the bragging or negative. Also who does not pout or throw a fit if someone just ask a question about their dog. Isn't it strange how we want honesty in the White House but can't do it ourself in the clubhouse. HA! Just my opinion but it sure makes this preacher glad so thanks again. John.

Robert W. Mccoy Jr · Post by **Robert W. Mccoy Jr** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:50 pm

Thanks John Glad to Help.

I am tough on my dogs when it comes to telling there faults along with the good. I have just always been like that.

I have seen very few beagles that have the kind of hunt I like.
I have only owned one but he would run anything that left a track.

I hope you find the exact Stud you are looking for.

Good luck and keep'um running.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:42 pm

Don't feel like I have elliminated your males I just have a year or so to look and it will take me that long to find something that will get me as excited as I want to be. If we get to come up this fall like me and Bruce New are hoping to I will try to look you up. We are wanting to go to a hare trial and hunt for a couple of days. However, it seems all of the fall large pack trials are in the U.P. and that is going to be a long trip for us in southern Ky. so we are just waiting to see if it all is going to work out. If we head that way I will call you. Until then good running; John.

Buckeye Bob · Post by **Buckeye Bob** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:27 pm

Thanks for the info,I have a 10 mo.Striker male I was ready to give up on because he hadn't started yet and is just not as bold as I like them.Great looking but independant(stubborn).I was all excited about getting a Striker pup and guess I'll give him some more time....by the way he just started this afternoon.

bluegrass · Post by **bluegrass** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:54 pm

Hey Buckeye Bob, just send that hound my way, I'll take him off your hands...LOL. Wouldn't worry about him starting late, he'll take off and you will wonder what you were worried about...Good Luck, Tony

King's Way · Post by **King's Way** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:35 pm

I have never been able to figure out why these guys are so hung up on needing pups to be running at 4 or 5 months old. If people think they are not good unless they run at that young age then you need to learn more about the animal and sport you are involved with. I'm not implying anyone posting on this particle ad or subject is that way but the majority of people are. You just take the time once or twice to start a pup at 7 to 10 months and see how much better they progress and can keep up with the other hounds and don't pick up all the bad habits a pup will when "running with the older dogs and just trying to keep up". Almost always when I come across a young hound that some "over eager" guy thinks is not good enough I can take him home then give it a few solo trips and have it doing everything that a rabbit hound needs to do. When you started school your dad didn't expect you to drive yourself there and hand you the keys did he? Just a friendly gesture and nothing negative so I don't need two pages of griping but give them time boys.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:58 pm

One question... How is Striker's hunt and his offspring's hunt? Reason I ask, various individuals have told me neither have a lick of hunt whatsoever. Just curious about the dogs of those that have posted so far...

Mark T · Post by **Mark T** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:58 pm

I have been reading these post for the last week about "Striker" pups. This Striker pup does this, that Striker pup does that. But in all the post I have read NOTHING of the dams to these pups. One fellow had pups from a Paycheck bitch, one from Gentle George, etc... These are very different bitch lines that could alter ANY pup, Striker or other. I have in my kennel now 3 Striker pups and have judged SEVERAL in the Northeast LP and Ontario LP circuits. All of the pups I have hunt VERY hard, but so did there dams. They are very quick, but so were the dams. Nice built, so was mom, etc, etc... It not fair to lump pups as just "Striker" pups or just "Turbo" pups, etc.. THERE ARE 2 SIDES TO THE PEDIGREE!! The dam is very important in the quality of the pup. Mine are not Striker pups, they are Blue Moon pups and Midnite pups!! Mark Trudell

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:46 am

I marshalled two classes in which Striker was in, neither time did he have any hunt. The second time it was a class of 58 and he ran about 58th the whole time. It was because of this I will not have any Striker blood in my kennel and he is kenneled in the same area code as me.

I judged Wookie a few times and he was way too rough for me. He hit the front way to hard and blew over the end on most every turn. When he was needing points they sent him to Howard Cate and Howard brought him to Claremont where they said he put on a show

IFC Woodland Roupar, FC Larsen's Haley, FC Hardenburgh's Baby Blue to name a few that ARE good dogs out of Striker with plenty of hunt. Haley is definitely one of the best I've seen, however it is because percentage of dogs that don't hunt out of him that I have seen from different bitches that I will not breed to him or want to have any of his blood in my kennel.

Rob Kane.

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:03 pm

I thought IFC Doylands Jimmy was out of Haunted Hills Shaker????

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:50 pm

my apologies, I got screwed up with Shaker and Striker.

King's Way Kennel · Post by **King's Way Kennel** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:24 am

Yes Mark you are perfectly correct and I also think that about 60% of the traits come from the dam's side of the pedigree. However that is why I opened this question and post about Striker to a national website so I could get responses from lots of people who had Striker pups and have many different analogies. Only hoping that I could maybe see a producing trend from Striker. I in no way hoped to offend or put down anyone or their dog. But as I mentioned in one of my responses to Robert McCoy that I live in Ky. so I do not have the opportunity to see a lot of his pups down here or have the time to drive all the way up to a hare trial to look at 20 to 40 dogs coming through to try to see if I can pick out a Striker pup and evaluate if I want to breed to him or not. So I am sorry for the offence but none was intended.
Rob Kane was all of your comments intended toward Shaker or Striker. When you mentioned Jimmy was just that about Shaker or was all of them about Shaker. I guess I am just asking to clarify a little for me. For instance which one did you see at the trial Shaker or Striker? I like to hear from the men that seen the dogs themselves not those that just go by someone else's opinion.

Mark T · Post by **Mark T** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:56 pm

The Striker pups I have seen, IN GENERAL, have been very smart clean hounds. Some say you need a bitch with a big nose. I have seen that size and foot speed depends on the dam. Striker was not a fast dog, but if the bitch is faster then the pups should be. Also I have seen some of the linebred french hounds with bad confirmation. My pups are out of FC Maravics Blue Moon, by IFC Maravics Blue Ninja and 1 pup by FTC Threejays Jacks Midnite, by IFC Haunted Hill Shaker and IFC Squirrel Creek Angie. Both are very fast, aggressive, big nose bitches. There pups have plenty of speed, smart, very hard hunting and excellent confirmation. That is what I have seen uphere in the north. Mark Trudell

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:30 pm

I have seen 4 hounds out of striker run in the Maritimes 2 bitches which both finished last year, and 2 big males which are littermates. They are out of 3 different bitches, all have lots of hunt the 2 bitches are quite fast and the 2 males have good line control and big voices, they have lots of places but not sure if they have any wins.

Keep them running