Puppies, Breeding and MONEY????

[CHRIS WHITT]

I can see everyones point including yours duke.Why buy an unproven hound for 50 dollars when you can buy one that looks good on paper for a couple of hundred.If everyone starts only breeding and buying pups from field champs etc.My main concern is , what will that do to the price of pups , sure they go for 250 now but if hey were the only ones that people were buying they would be a thousand or so a piece.Where would that put the price in 10 or 15 years when my son was wanting a beagle or one for his son,If a market gets narrow then the prices goes up.beaglehandler said if it is to slow , to fast or to tight have it fixed , that makes no sense.If it is slow it may fit a gun hunter or if it is to fast it may fit a hare hunter or someone who likes to trial,as mike said just let each man make his own choice.

[JUDE]

Everyone may want to ask theirselves , Where did the first trial dogs ever come from ?
How many great dogs / great trial dogs are owned by people who only hunt ?
Who has a full tank of gas in all their vehicles right now ?


Buddy

[Duke]

I brought up the issue because of the amount of hounds being bred, thats all. If you read my post you will see that I have no problem with grade dog breedings. There are exceptional hunting dogs out there that are grade and passing on those genes are important( I made that point), but lets not use that as an excuse for every willy, nilly breeding out there.

I brought up this point so that we can all discuss the reasons we are breeding. I think breeding to exceptional grade hounds is fine. I think if someone said hey, I needed the money cause I was out of a job is fine. I am just trying to get guys and gals here to consider what they are breeding and buying and the value.

One of the problems most of us do not like to face is our culls can and do end up with dog traders and many are sold for research in the end. All I am doing is creating discussion on what we buy, what we breed and the financials of it all, WHICH from the best two hounds to the two most worthless hounds in the world that are bred together(Oh and they can have AKC,NKC and UKC papers and a title or two) that there is very little difference in cost.

My advice those new to the sport if you buy puppies look for a planned breeding where you have seen the two parents run, no matter the cost. In the long run you get better results from two fine hounds rather than two hounds that hooked up while running(How many times has this happened???) I enjoy spirited discussion, and none of this is pointed at anyone. I just want to see how everyone else looks at the issue.

[beaglehandler]

Chris, my comment on to fast or slow was directed at those who sale the best dog in their kennel as was posted on here awhile back. My point was that to many sale junk dogs as all that and then someone else is stuck with the dog. I should have said to bad there is not more honesty in the sport.

[FetchingPixels]

I would never buy a dog for 50$. I would make sure I was getting a dog from a reputable breeder. Any dog I purchase will have to come from champions and be show dog material, and health guarentees to back it up. I'm not afraid to pay big bucks for that if that ever happens either. I have strict requirements I'll require from the breeder aswell.

Because I am limitedly involved in animal rescue there are TONS of beagles there. I think that is where all of my beagles will come from. They are one of the top breeds in shelters/rescues across america, and the ones that really tug at my heartstrings. And remember I'm not some animal extremists that works at Peta (I remember that from before).. I just like shelter dogs.

[bluegrass]

Uh Pixels, say what???????

[jlboomer]

my response to this is one mans junk may be anothers mans treasure. ive bought several dogs from guys that didn't like them for one reason or another but they suited me just fine. heck one of the best dogs i ever owned i gave $30 for man said he was to fast 3 yrs latter sold him for $900 and thats only because the guy drove me nuts wanting him. i don't breed for champions and i don't trial. i do my judging under the gun i breed for gundogs and i hunt gundogs and so far i like what i breed no i don't sale $50 pups and neither do i sale $250 pups if i like you and your wanting a good dog i will help out most people. but we all like to get some of our money back on shots and feed.

[DedRabbits]

I think you contradicted yourself there FetchingPixels.

[weaver240000]

I dont understand, why an AKC registerd beagle only is worth a couple of hundred bucks. Most have great pedigrees and most actually give U a service which is hunting. I have a friend who laughs at me because he has a shitzoo that is AKC registerd and they dont hunt or much of anything else. and he gets triple the pay out of them as would a beagle breeder. Im sorry I love the beagle breed. From the looks, temperment, and not to mention the sportsman ship of a hunting buddy. Trust me guys Im far from rich, and any money I do get the X ol lady takes. But I just think the beagle bar was set way to low for their worth. Not sure on the stats but We have to be in the bottom Percent of AKC registered dogs priceing.

[B.Trull]

Not enough culling. Ya gotta make the cross to many different bitches to see if a stud hound is worth their salt, anyways. I have had average dogs produce above average progeny. I have had good dogs produce , good dogs when bred to inferior females. Ya can do alot if ya can keep the litters, lose the kennel blindness, and cull. We are only using a small hound to chase a rodent, after all. The standards for a beagle arent as rigorous as bite doggies.



I am old, fat and tired, let someone else dig the holes.

[JUDE]

I've heard several people on here complain about beagle pups selling too low . Well this is just NOT true Honey Pot has litters for sell from time to time as I'm sure some of the other breeders of top show beagles do as well . Just contact them and I'm sure they'll make you feel like you paid top dollar ( IF you meet their qualifications for buying a puppy ) . I'm definitely not downing these breeders for selling top quality stuff , I'm just saying there are $1200 beagle puppies out there .


Buddy

[schleppy]

I'm not an expert at beagles I just started last year, but all my dogs are grade dogs. I have two adults and two pups. One of my pups was sired by IFC green bay shooter and the dam is a grade dog. The guy who owned shooter up until about 2 weeks ago made this cross out of his own personal hunting dogs.
I bought the pup along with his "uncle" a littermate to the pups mother after watching them both run.
Go and tell this guy who bought greenbay shooter for probably 10K and bred him to his grade dog that he's hurting the breed. The answer is that he sold shooter and still has the grade female I bet money cant buy.

[FetchingPixels]

I think you contradicted yourself there FetchingPixels.

Because I believe in animal rescue and responsible breeding?? I don't think so! There will always be breeding, I know that. I'm not out to save the world just do what makes me happy. My dogs make me happy.

I meant I wouldn't pay top dollar for a beagle, I've always wanted a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel and will pay top dollar to get one from a show breeder someday.

There will always be a beagle or two in my life, i'm not dissing people who breed them, just saying it's not my choice to go to a breeder for a beagle. If that makes any sense. Everything I say always comes out wrong on this board seems like, sorry.

[mc2you]

Crabtree

I don't know Mike but he put it well.--Everybody has a different view. It is best to check!!....in the field!!!

Lar Mc

[thornie]

I have at present a six dog pack that I hunt. 5 of them are AKC registered and one is UKC registered. 5 are females and one male. I plan on breeding 3 of the females in the future. This is what I like at the present time. I have run in every registration with the best of them, have won my share and lost my share, but if it was just left up to the dogs they would all probably be winners. When I breed to one of these high dollar stud dogs, he has to compliment the female I'm breeding him to or put something he has that she lacks. To me its a 50-50 guessing game, will they all make rabbit dogs. You may have a dog that can run the hair of a rabbit, until you shot the gun, then its over. Have you ever wondered why a dog is gun shy, is it because we humans haven't prepared them for their task at hand. We don't send our kids to school without teaching the walk, talk and potty training. Just because one child doesn't have as much as another, are we going to throw them away, like we do with dogs. I don't think so.
Well here's my theory, if a $50 dollar dog can run a rabbit better then a $200 dollar dog and it does everything that I like, I guess I'm one of those breeders that don't meet your standards.
There's always an open invatation to come and run with me.