Breed to a FC or not.

[rabbitearl]

How many of yall would breed to a FC dog and not watch him run over a dog that you like when it run but never been to a trial.Both are akc reg.The dog is Fc in any thing you like.Same question on pups too.

[DIXIEDOG]

How many of yall would breed to a FC dog and not watch him run over a dog that you like when it run but never been to a trial.Both are akc reg.The dog is Fc in any thing you like.Same question on pups too.

Not me, if I don't see it run I don't know that it is worthy of breeding to by my standards.

As far as pups, I buy those from people I know and have run dogs with.

[JakesPop]

Skill is in field hunting hounds. luck of the draw plays alot inaddition to skill in the title FC. Its an individual choice. But I can say it is a heck of a hound that can do both. I'd never breed just because of a title held by a hound. A GRCHHB, CH is worth a lot to some folks interested in titles and pedigrees. The open hound that can do it all and do it well is proof in the pudding, champion or not. I'm talking registered hounds, but seen some grade hounds so good that I would consider a strong interest in their traits as well.
Pop

[BriarCreekBeagles]

Not on FC alone I agree with the other guys, Breed to what you've seen run and like not what you've heard and like. as far as pups see the parents if possible other than that it's the luck of the draw. JMO

[SilverZuk]

There are two types that will breed to something because of a name or title.
Dog traders and idiots.

I have seen quite a few champion dogs that did not suit me.
Some were nice dogs, but just weren't the style of dog I like.
Some were junk that I am sure couldn't run a rabbit on their own.

Champion is a rewarding an accomplishment. It doesn't tell you anything about the dog (style, speed, nose, faults, etc.).
It surely doesn't give you a clue how well that dog will cross with your dog.

[tommyg]

Gotta watch them run before I'll breed to the hound.

[T LEE]

Gotta watch them run before I'll breed to the hound.

Guys , Then go to a few trials and see what's out there. ENTER A DOG. Most guys that Trial ,travel to several different states and a FC Title doesn't come eazy. They won't be entering a dog that they feel does not have a chance of winning.

As Rick Flare said...."To be the man you got to beat the man"

Before doing your next "Back Yard Breeding" Take the stud to a few Trails and see IF he has what it takes to come out on top.

Just my two cents

[hounddog]

Excellent point Troy! Titles don't come easy. By watching a hound run once or so and NOT under pressure doesn't tell me the whole story. I like to see a hound perform under all situations and conditions. Trialing is a good way to see this. If a hound does have a title then maybe he has proven everything that I'm looking for in a stud dog! Just a thought!

hounddog
Jim Umbarger

[tommyg]

Gotta watch them run before I'll breed to the hound.

Guys , Then go to a few trials and see what's out there. ENTER A DOG. Most guys that Trial ,travel to several different states and a FC Title doesn't come eazy. They won't be entering a dog that they feel does not have a chance of winning.

As Rick Flare said...."To be the man you got to beat the man"

Before doing your next "Back Yard Breeding" Take the stud to a few Trails and see IF he has what it takes to come out on top.

Just my two cents

I do trial alot when I have time. I won't breed to a hound because of a title thats what IMO is ruining the breed. I will watch a hound go and hunt with it if possible before it breeds my female,I also like to watch some pups from the stud run if possible. Backyard breedings are just as good if not better than breeding to the flavor of the month FC. Some of those backyard studs throw alot of power maybe the owner isn't interested in a trial maybe he or she just likes to hunt and run hounds. Comeing out on top doesn't always mean the best stud dog wins or best hound period,some great FC's couldn't throw what they had,and some backyard breedings have thrown FC's. Breed what you like.

[mayhem78]

I agree!! gotta watch them run and on more than one occasion and preferably in tough scent conditions.I don't know how many times you hear guys back at the clubhouse talkin up a hound go out and watch it run and be disappointed. I'ts plain and simple for me many good dogs can look great riden in the front seat of a pack in good scent conditions but can they bring it back by himself in tough scent conditions that you have during the rabbit season.

[T LEE]

Not all dogs are producers but the FC Titles are not being handed out at the club door when you get there. They have to be EARNED.

Even the "Flavor of the month" had to earn his Title. If the Back Yard stud you picked is that great ....then it would have nothing to hide by going toe to toe and seeing how it handled the pressure of a Trial.

What I feel is ruining the breed is a bitch that should have been killed years ago, breeding to a FC and expecting great things.

[Nor' Easter]

Every FC is different, fast or nose or steady or tuff, etc. What are you looking to add to you line in the first place. If you can't go see the stud run like 90% OF US you need to make some calls to poeple that have seen it run and people you trust what they say, they are out there. Your chances are definately as good or better breeding to a FC as they don't come easy as some think. Some dogs get their wins on picky day only of fast days, you need to know that. As far as watching a dog run once, well it's a gamble how that day will turn out ?? and what do you run against it ? There are some grade dogs out there that produce, where ? Some dogs produce and some don't do as well, that's life. The odds are in your favor with a FC breeding. or maybe it's brother ??

[mn_beagleboy]

It's not easy to champ out and it's not easy to have extreme search. Very few hounds will have both. The other day I talked to a field trialer on the phone and he wasn't so happy when i asked if the dog he offered for sale had hunt. He told me "you don't need hunt if your gonna trial him" guess what i did? hung up and never plan to get near that kennel ever. There are a lot of FC out there that will rape the rabbits inside out, but that's if you can kick the rabbit up for them. If you have to kick around to jump a rabbit up for him do you think you need him around? Breed to what you like so you wont complain later on about those "field trial dogs".

[mtnwaykennel]

FC in any venue is a achievment.

As Troy Lee said it is not just given to any hound.

I think that you should know a little about a hound but also know what the parents of that hound on that pedigree. It is all like a road map. You can have a good and bad out of every breed.... but you look at certain strains of blood out there that seem to just produce good hound after good hound... it ain't no accident. Backyard studs is how it all got started.... then dogs began to get campaigned..... right or worng people breed without see'n these hounds run... as I have in the past you go off reputation and blood..... I am a believer in the fact that if you follow the breeding ... check what dogs are here and there in the pedigree.... and think about it ... it is all right there for the world to see.

The other part of that is time. You can take the greatest beagle alive and sit him in a kennel for a couple years ... he is gonna look like crap. You have to run a hound. Let's ay that I have a FC in my kennel that has not been ran in two years, you wanna run him to see if you wanna breed to him????? I hope not. If they made FC then give the devil his due... at some point ... some where ... he was better then the other hounds... like it or not.

Run what ya like... feed what ya like... breed what ya like... I'll stick to my northway and search for the perfect breeding... till then I have fancy and streak cross pups to train for the second time around and a few other pot lickers laying around!!

BIll Woods

[tommyg]

Not all dogs are producers but the FC Titles are not being handed out at the club door when you get there. They have to be EARNED.

Even the "Flavor of the month" had to earn his Title. If the Back Yard stud you picked is that great ....then it would have nothing to hide by going toe to toe and seeing how it handled the pressure of a Trial.

What I feel is ruining the breed is a bitch that should have been killed years ago, breeding to a FC and expecting great things.

All FC's didn't earn their title,thats a fact. I breed to hounds that suit me and the way I like a hound to run a rabbit,FC or backyard hound. Theres 4 hounds I would breed to right now because I know what they throw and what they do,I would have to watch a hound run before I breed my best female to him to see if he compliments her style and can hopefuly add something good. I agree about the "BROOD" bitches thats breeding paper. I love to Trial and I've triled in every registery so I can say that that title means squat when I go to breed. I figure gas at 4 dollars a gallon theres alot of hounds that will not see any trials, and they very well could win a few.
Tom Gunter