Run to Catch

[ohlinger]

Well who can i buy one these dogs from ? Is there a money back garauntee ?

[mybeagles]

Bev,

Dolly an 8 - 9. Both were pretty hot-nosed

Once she was there, the head went mostly down and she...well...pretty much owned it after that, lol.

Not sure Ive ever seen a dog run a 8-9 speed with mostly head down with hot nose. I normally associate fast dogs with great nose, head high runner. I wish I could have seen Dolly run. Did Dolly run in the Mid-West at all, seems like she would have dominated with that running style.

Mybeagles

[Bev]

She probably would have done well, but I didn't go to the AKC trials until she was close to five years old. I didn't put her in. She ran primarily ARHA Little Pack, and finished as a Rabbit Champion, Grand Bench Champion. I posted this on another thread, but here she is just putzing around the yard and house a few days ago. She's a bit arthritic to jump up into the Seneca, but you can get an idea of her overall energy level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzOILzoxdo4

I also have some footage of her hunting in some thick cover in Georgia. Lemme know if you wanna see it. It's nothing heart stopping; just me trying to get some footage of her while she's still here.

If you're curious, here are 2 of her sons that are running fox and hare in Canada right now. This clip is on hare at the Ottawa Valley Beagle Club. To be running all out, they made the turn on that hare pretty well I think. They overran the turn in front of my feet, but they picked it up quickly, one going around in front of me and the other just behind me:

http://www.youtube.com/user/nabeagle#p/ ... gw2QYMkQqA

They're decent dogs, not extraordinary, but I will tell you, the one on the front in this clip has killed a hare already. They were two when this was filmed.

[jim matuszewski]

not trying to hijack thread one quik question for bev running fox and hare with same hounds probably in pens but running in the wild could get pretty interesting

[Hood Swamp]

Ohlinger wrote:

Well who can i buy one these dogs from ? Is there a money back garauntee ?

Come on now, you know they don't exist

[Bev]

Yes, jim m, it could get dicey. They will also take a deer or coyote like nobody's business, and their uncle has run black bear to the gun. They are run strictly in pens. The fox pens especially, are large enough to not feel like pen running, but you do have the peace of mind knowing there is a fence eventually. I would never cast those dogs down here in the wild.

Jim Lane now has the littermate sister to the ones in Canada, and the sire of that litter. Clem is a 9-yr-old retired Grand Beagle Fox Champion who had been used at deer camp and conditioned on hare, too, but had never been on a cottontail until Jim took him a few weeks ago. Freedom Run Miss Liberty, the daughter to Dolly and littermates to the dogs in the hare video, was just recently started at age three. I didn't have time to do anything with her, but she started for Jim right away, and I'm pretty certain he runs Libby in the wild. Perhaps he will pop in here and give y'all his take on how they run.

One other littermate that's still down here, Freedom Run Clem's Willy, is owned by Garrison Lee of Paragon, and he's made a UKC champ out of him.

Randy Fillmore of Nova Scotia has a grandson of Dolly, FTC Mikerma's Farmer Clem, that he has recently finished in Canada, I'm thinking he was high male for his region, and he placed in the CDN Nationals last weekend. The Cottontail stuff matches up nicely with the hare stuff if you start with the faster cottontail stuff. Just my opinion and experience. YMMV. (Your mileage may vary.)

[bucks better beagles]

Jim M said. "not trying to hijack thread one quik question for bev running fox and hare with same hounds probably in pens but running in the wild could get pretty interesting".

I seem to be the only person on here who routinely discusses fox running beagles. I know this is trash talk to most people and most consider it undignified. However, I run mine in the wild every night. It is exciting and demanding on a dog especially in warm weather. A pen would be fun but, to me, kinda boring after a couple hours. I like the idea of not knowing where the fox is going to run and the dog work to bring him back around to me.

My dogs do not run deer and I don't use a tracker. I also do not run coyote or, if I can help it, coon. They run only fox and rabbits. They are tough on rabbits, tougher on hare, and pretty good on fox. It takes a lot more dog to keep a fox on the run than either of the other two. They must be tough and fast enough to stay close to the fox or he will simply put too much distance between himself and them to the point where they lose the scent.



Bob

[Hood Swamp]

bucks better beagles

Do you ever run the fox down.

When I was growing up, I remember watching the fox hunters line up the roads around the house and catch a fox on a regular basis, but now there is way too many people and not enough land for outside running of fox.

[Bev]

Bob, as was mentioned by Hood Swamp about not enough land and too much urban sprawl, that would be the biggest reason I wouldn't cast mine in the wild. They would surely cross a busy road...or not. It's a treat that you have, being able to do so. Since my fox beagles do run in fox pens and hare pens, and are used at deer camp, there's no need to break them from a particular game. They are used pretty much on it all. (Not a lot of coons up there that I've seen.)

At the same time, as you have pointed out, we can be selective in the game we want them to run, depending on what one allows. I'm just assuming you've broken yours from running deers. In the same litter, I have fox beagles, hare beagles, and cottontail only beagles. Sometimes I don't think we give these dogs enough credit.

Keep rockin' the foxes!

[bucks better beagles]

Hood Swamp: Absolutely never get close enough to catch one of these critters.

Bev: It is refreshing to hear from someone who actually appreciates running fox with beagles. We are lucky to have a nice spot where we can let them rock without worry. However, occasionally, the fox will get spooked and then things become real exciting. We get to see the fox a lot and the pack even more.

If you know of someone in Michigan with a real good, young fox hound. I would surely like to purchase him. All I need is one hunt to see him in action. The boys up here jokingly say all I keep are trash hounds. I guess most would look at it that way but these trash hounds are tough. They can also run a rabbit and I do but it just isn't the same challenge to me. Remarkably, if I put them down during the daylight hours and where there are rabbits, I do not run fox. This is done mainly at night and in the day during heavy snow winters.

Bob

[jim matuszewski]

A few guys up around here run coyotes and bobcats in the winter with same dogs that they bear hunt with these dogs are deer broke but have seen them dumped on bear track in the morning and see them a mile later crossing the road with coyote. you would never call them trashy. Bob I was wondering if this ever happens to you when hare hunting,having your dogs switch from hare to fox?

[Bev]

If anyone is interested and doesn't already know about Canadian Beagle Fox Trial Association (CBFTA), here's a website you might want to see. There are some videos on it, too:

http://www.cdnbeagleonfox.com/index.html

I might also mention, for you Michiganers it's only a six-hour drive from Port Huron to Napanee, Ontario where the trials are held.

[Dan Kane]

Buck Better Beagles, Where are you located?

[bucks better beagles]

Dan Kane: I am Just south of Lansing,

Jim M. I have had them switch from hare to fox but never from fox to hare. Once they are on a fox, they don't like to yield.

Bev: I would love to come to Canada for one of those hunts but it is a hassle anymore, isn't it? Passports, Dogs have to have lots of paperwork, hidden guns have to be checked, etc. Also, thanks for the web site. Do you know of anymore sites dedicated to the beagle fox hunter?

Sorry to other folks for getting this thread stretched a little.

Bob

[Bev]

Passport for yourself and rabies vaccinations for dogs is all you need. It's hard enough to travel across some state lines here with a gun, but I believe you can take hunting guns in if they are broken down. Not sure. You won't need a gun, though -- these are no-kill pack trials. http://www.foxbeagle.net is a site for the U.S., but your travel time to those clubs is much farther, and you will run coyotes with 17" beagles. Not criticizing, it's just how they run. Canada's all red fox, all 15" hounds.