What would you make of this letter....

[sharon]

Why is Summit County in the state of Ohio charging me $14.00 per dog to get tags for my beagles while others in Ohio are apparently paying $12.00 per dog?

[Chuck Prather]

Sharon they know you have more money and are just putting it in their pocket! Lol

[bluecollar beagler]

just bc we have kennel licenses doesnt mean we are selling for profit and running puppy mills.. yeah we might keep 5-6 hounds and a kennel license is alittle cheaper to purchase but id figure most guys have what maybe a litter every year or two and sell a couple pups.. what is your profit after stud fee, shots, registering,feed etc.. a hundred bucks or two if that.. but you can have steve and mary down the road have two dogs in there house and not have a kennel license and breed there two house dogs(what ever breed you want to call it) and sell the pups for $4-500 a pup and do this twice a year and there not required to have a kennel license or vendors permit?? was i reading that right? that sort of ticks me off alittle.. i might of been reading it wrong though.. either way its not right.. im not going to pay for them either way but i tend to get alittle frustrated when people(gov/politics) pushes stuff on us that is unjust!!!


i work in huntington, wva. wva taxes you for everything lol... its only a matter of time b4 they come up with a way to tax you for breathing in wva.. lol.. im not suprised by those proposals at all. in huntington they charge a fee each week for working in huntington. lol. yes they charge you to come to work!!!!

[Ohiohntr]

Yes, you read that correctly

What bugs me is the wording about "breeding dogs for hunting OR for sale".....seems to be singling out hunters!!! Also, the auditors office kept saying "so you are using your dogs for hunting then, you need to obtain a vendors license even if you don't sell any." I for the life of me cannot figure out what one has to do with the other.

[Bunnyblaster]

Have you asked them why just hunting? Why does it not also tax those that raise or own dogs for show purposes?

[bluecollar beagler]

sounds like a good class action law suit if you ask me....

[Norshore]

They don't just discriminate against hunting dogs, show breeders "that apply" for the kennel license run into the same thing. The new part is the register as a for profit company and get a vendors license, more counties have you fill out an affidavit like the one below---sign it and your declaring your for profit status and granting inspection authorization.

The only reason they sell dog tags anyway is so the know who to ticket if your dog gets loose.

OFFICE OF THE COUNTY AUDITOR
COSHOCTON COUNTY, OHIO
AFFIDAVIT
STATE OF OHIO
COUNTY OF COSHOCTON
The undersigned, having been first duly sworn according to law, deposes and says:
1. That an application for a Kennel License has been made by me to the Coshocton
County Auditor.

2. That Section 955.02 of the Ohio Revised Code states that the Kennel for which
the License is requested is owned by a person, partnership, firm, company or
corporation professionally engaged in the business of breeding dogs for hunting
or for sale, and that such breeding is done for gain and not as a hobby.

3. That the Kennel License application is being made in good faith and not for the
purpose of avoiding the licensing requirements for dogs in the State of Ohio.

4. That I understand and consent to the fact that the Kennel for which the application
for a Kennel License has been made is open for inspection within one year from
the date of this Affidavit by the Coshocton County Auditor, or his or her
designated agent. If a determination is made that any material statement in the
Affidavit is false, the Kennel License will be revoked.

5. I certify that I understand and meet all requirements of statements one through
four.
_________________________________________________ ____________________
Signature Date

ABOVE SIGNATURE WITNESSED BY:
_________________________________________________ _____________________
Signature Date

[bluecollar beagler]

the buisness of breeding for hunting... but your considered a hobby when it comes time for deducting for taxes????

[Schag]

Kelly,

The only time I have ever been checked in 25 years of owning dogs is the one time I called about a stray and they had to come and get the dog. The lady wasn't going to ask me for my license until I mentioned my neighbors aggressive Great Dane that I was worried about getting loose from time-to-time because of my children. She then said, "Before I go over there, do you have a license for your dogs." I showed her my kennel license. I gave her the license, she briefly gave it one look, and said, "Ok". When she gave it back to me I was putting it back away, and noticed I gave her the one from a year ago, (I must have grabbed the wrong one, because I keep all of them and put them in a pile) proving that they only want one thing, your money. She then goes over to the neighbor, he has two Great Danes, no license, and gets off with a warning for not having a license. By the way, the one Great Dane got out while she was opening the door and it scared that lady half to death!!! I helped catch the dog because she was terrified. She said to take pictures of the dog the next time in my yard, because that dog should not be running loose. She said she would fine my neighbor if it happens again. I have not taken any pictures, just explained my situation to the neighbor, he understood, and has done a good job keeping his dog from running loose. So, I have spent all of this money with licenses to be an honest person, have only been checked once, and the neighbor probably has owned dogs his whole life (he is in his 60's) and probably has never bought a license, and he gets a warning. Such is life. In the end, it all boils down to money...

[Ohiohntr]

No doubt....money!!!

Just got a call from another Ohio beagler and when he went to renew his kennel license he asked about this whole ordeal. Their explaination is that if you have hunting dogs then your are eligable for a "break" on tags. You can buy a kennel license and you do not have to buy a vendors license. You must buy both license if you are in the "business" of selling dogs. To me this makes way more sense than what my county office told me! Just goes to show how state laws can be misinterpreted at the local level and get the common person in all sorts of trouble.

They have gone away from being able to deduct expenses on domestic pet businesses. I know a few people this will hurt because they were TOLD they needed to claim it as a business because of the number of dogs they were selling. Not being able to deduct any expenses will kill them....basically every sale will look like total profit.

[Norshore]

Sounds like good news

[Ohiohntr]

No big deal either way I just always find it interesting to "challenge" law over common sense, though most of the time I lose ....

I had our attorney here at work look at it and also made a few other calls. If you really break down the wording of the letter based on section 955.02 I am breeding and owning dogs for hunting purposes and therefore I am considered eligible for a kennel license. Then according to section 955.04 I am required to register my kennel (which I do). There is no other mention of hunting dogs when it gets into the vendor license verbage...only "selling domestic pets as a business".

Our attorney did mention a "loop hole" in the verbage of the law where it says "Yes, if you continue to breed and sell puppies you are considered to be in the business of selling puppies and are required to obtain a vendor's license and collect and remit tax on your sales". His question would be what constitutes "continue"....He said his arguement would be: I am only breeding for my own hunting purposes and after my purposes are met there are no further intentions of making that particular breeding again or continuing to breed. Therefore; the breeding of a particular hunting dog was made with the intent of personal use and the extra product of that personal use breeding does not require you to be a vendor or remit tax on the sale because you did not make the breeding with the intention of having more hunting dogs than you could personally use and could not be considered a sustainable business.

I guess if I ever get checked I hope the person whom does the checking understands the law the way it was explained to me (the common sense approach). If not I guess I will pay up and go on with life.

[rabbithunter1]

I didn't get a letter with my kennel application this year. If they want you to get a vendors license you could write off your expenses and you wouldnt have to pay sales tax on dog food and other supplies. I thought about getting one just for a tax write off.

[Ohiohntr]

Vince - Check out the answer to #4 on the letter.

According to this letter and after talking to the State, there are no tax exemptions for goods and services purchased by sellers/breeders of domestic pets.

[rabbithunter1]

In that case they can kiss my