L.P. Judges Question

swing · Post by **swing** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 10:56 am

I know the rule on this question but to me it is wrong.
Dogs are broke down in a check 15 seconds has elapsed, dogs are searching, dog roots around in a little clump or small thicket with another dog very close by and out comes the rabbit infront of the other dogs nose and it barks first actually but the dog that rooted it out is with its mouth open trying to catch the rabbit he has rejumped.
Who scores the check here the dog who gives mouth first or the dog who does the work.
My opinion on this is, if the dog wouldnt have rooted it out how would of the other dog been giving mouth and able to score.
Im sticking to my guns on this one im giving it to the dog for doing the work . protest me and beat me to death with it but im still scoring the dog for the work.
I know keep my mouth shut and I wouldnt have to worry about it. But I tell everything as I score.
Kinda like going to a ball game and them covering the scoreboard until the game is over then uncovering it and letting you know who won when it is over.
Been done that way several times and didnt enjoy it.
Whats you're alls thots
Trent

Lynn Perkins · Post by **Lynn Perkins** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:45 am

Swing i'll agree with you on one thing as far as the dog you like, that's the hound i like,one that will get in there and grub it out.(independent)
Now as far as the rule goes the hound that makes forward progress of the track while giving mouth gets the check.Which you know this, you might not agree but there are too many different versions of rules getting used any way. People seem to want to make their own version, and not many are alike.
How many times ya been bet on a check that a dog barked 1 bark and your dog come in right after it every breath and the other dog not bark again for 40 or 50 yards and they give the check to him.I've been bet several times like this.
My question to you is how much mouth is considered " GIVING MOUTH" i want keep a hound that space barks on a rabbit have no use for semi- silent runners,i'm there to enjoy the music.
So i agree with you on which hound we like but would disagree on how you would judge it (called out or not) because of going by the rules!! Keep up your good work and i appreciate a judge that calls the score out as he score them.

Plow · Post by **Plow** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 12:03 pm

The biggest difference I seem to encounter on this rule is that most judges I have drawn or even been partnered with, will score a check on the hound that barks first, even without making forward progress. I believe this is a mistake. I judge & train our clubs young judges to score the hound that is making the forward progress with the line, regardless of which dog barks first or the most. I think the question of how many barks is considered claiming the line is purely a judgement call. My opinion would be that a hound needs to claim the line enough to cause the other hounds in the cast to hark to him. He does not have to bark every breath.
I agree with Swing on the hound work but have to score the one that claimed the line as per the rules. I would however keep that in my mind for later in the cast if I needed a tie breaker for placement.

dawgydawg67 · Post by **dawgydawg67** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 12:26 pm

A dog MUST make forward progress in order to be scored. If you stand in the check area and just whimper and bark and never move forward you'll never win. One bark(when I'm judging) does not mean that dog got it or did the work to keep the race going.

Old enough to know better · Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:18 pm

Swing Swing Swing......
You starting to remind me of REDTICK! Why dont you get with him and maybe he will put your new rule in his registry. You guys are like two peas in a pod!

swing · Post by **swing** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:26 pm

Ok guys I agree with you to a certain extent but, one of those things you had to be there to witness it. 2 dogs working within a 3 feet area dog roots the rabbit back up other dog see's it and gives mouth first. Keep in mind the dog that rejumped it never stoped he came from the rejump to right on the rabbits butt , but the other dog got between him and the rabbit, I guess what I am saying is, that dog wouldnt been giving any mouth period if it wasnt for the other dogs work.
No one got mad over this situation it is just a good topic for discussion and I talked to all the cast members on the way back to the club to let them know where I stood and they let me know where they stood.
I just think it is a flaw in the rules, borrowing a dog dont just stumble on to a rabbit and dont even know it and not ever acknowledge it. Then I agree dog with mouth and forward progress recieves the check.
Boy I'm hard headed.
Trent

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:49 pm

Old enough to know better wrote:Swing Swing Swing......
You starting to remind me of REDTICK! Why dont you get with him and maybe he will put your new rule in his registry. You guys are like two peas in a pod!

I agree 100% !!!!!!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:30 pm

JUST GIVE IT TO THE DOG YOU THINK DESERVED IT AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!!!! YOU ARE THE JUDGE!!!!!