grey pups

[xdawg]

here is a picture of a gray..

[allniter]

THE hound pups that I have had that were gray-or mouse color -- they would be a light black color when they got about 1 yr. old

[mike crabtree]

Xdawg, Its grey because it is half Elkhound.
Heck just look at the curl in the tail!!!

[SouthernBeagles]

you most definately can get Tri's from 2 lemons, or Lemons from 2 tri's.


That is without accidental breeding.

Mike,
You are right about the lemons coming from tri's but the ONLY way you can get a tri from two lemons is if one is not a true lemon but is actually an open marked red tri. It would be hard to notice a lighter head and a darker pigment in the saddle area and I could see how it could be confused. But Genetically it is impossible to get a tri from a "true" red and white or lemon.

[mike crabtree]

Southern,You cant change My mind, Ive seen it.

[xdawg]

The puppy pictures i posted of the grey, here she is now...

[SouthernBeagles]

Mike,
Ya got pictures of Mom and Dad?

[Larry G]

Southern,You cant change My mind, Ive seen it.

Aw shoot man, for all you know them there DD's on your wife might not be real either, right Southern?

[Larry G]

Southern,You cant change My mind, Ive seen it.

Hey Mike... remember that thing you forwarded about "never tell a woman she can't cook"? Careful, man you might get the same thing arguing with one.

[mike crabtree]

Southern, No I dont have pictures, so I guess im lieing!!

[SouthernBeagles]

Mike,
I don't think you are lieing. I believe that YOU believe

[Big River Beagles S]

MIKE I AGREE WITH YOU I' HAVE BRED A RED AND WHITE BITCH TO A LEMON AND WHITE MALE 3 TIMES AND THEY PRODUCE ONE TRI EVERY LITTER AND THE ONLY TRI COLORED DOG IN THE BACKGROUND IS 3 GENERATIONS AWAY ON THE SIRES SIDE.

[SouthernBeagles]

Big Rivers,
I believe you and Mike Both, however, the only thing I disagree with it that you are breeding "true" red and whites or lemons.
The blanket is a dominant gene. A "True" red and white or lemon doesn't have that gene therefor it can't pass it.
I believe that you and Mike have bred an openmarked chocolate tri which would LOOK like a red and white or lemon but has three seperate colors. Thats the only way possible you could get a tri, because again, the gene has to be there for it to be thrown and you can't get a dominant gene from two recessive genes.
The "open marked" gene is a seperate gene. The dog can have the gene for the blanket but be so open marked you wouldn't see it. It is more obvious in an open marked black white and tan tri where you see this white dog with a little tan on its head and one black spot the size of a golf ball. The dog will be mostly white but there are three seperate colors. That dog has the blanket gene although the open marked gene obscures it. Now if you take a chocolate tri with the same open marked pattern, it would look like a red and white or tan and white. The depth of color is a modifier gene. The colors can be close, but the brown or red on the back will be slightly to drasticly darker depending on the modifier gene.
I have argued about the chocolate tri's many times. Folks will swear that they are red and whites because that blanket is a redish color BUT they don't take into account the lighter colored head or tips around the legs. I even made the same mistake myself with a female Dale Barns owns. Southern Ginger. Ginger is a chocolate tri, yet on her papers I registered her as a red and white. She looked red and white to me BUT she has the three seperate colors. I made a mistake because at the time I didn't know there was a genetic difference. This is all I am trying to say. I am NOT calling anyone a liar, I am just trying to explain how it is possible to get a tri from a red and white hound. Either the Sire or the Dams color is misidentified.

[Big River Beagles S]

well southern my female is completly orangish tan and white no liver chocolate or what ever on it and my male has one lemon spot on his side and one lemon spot on his ear the rest of him is white.

[marr24]

I've always heard you could get lemon and white out of two tris. Here is the situation: Say I'm planning to breed a male and female together (both tri) whose parents both consisted of one lemon/white and one tri. Wouldn't they throw at least some lemon/whites because they both carry the recessive gene? I may be completely off here, this is just what I've heard.