Percentages for stud dogs

[chapkosbeagles]

what i am wondering is what are the fastest stud dogs if you guy had to place the top five that are still alive i have a pup out of shooter so besides him i am just looking for one more blood line to mix in with my others my lines are lake ogemaw,greenbay shooter, hauntedhill shaker,and a armandos,branko female
my thing is that i have never seen any of these dogs go so i dont know how fast they run but what i want is pure speed the shooter stuff i got will bring the control in time

[Murphy's Kennel]

Go see Junie run or Go joe they can roll...

[chapkosbeagles]

where are they located? has anyone seen gator run how fast is he? or what about the studs that adam sager has dosent he have some good stud dogs?

[foxxy]

i have a dog out of larsons jackson that is coming on strong no cold nose ex line and is about a 7 1/2 to 8 on speed

[shepherdskennels]

REBEL still has some awsome wheels for a dog gonin on 7yrs old if u wanna see for yourself come on doen an see

[Murphy's Kennel]

Go Joe is in Hopkinsville KY and Junie I think is around Lexington Ky. Jimmy Abshire owns Junie he goes by Maple Valley on here.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Thanks for the phone calls and pms but at this time Junie is not at public stud. Getting ready to get shipped off and conditioned.

[kentucky mobster 08]

i think you cant go just go by the sire along.take reggie for example,a real nice dog,i see alot of people take any old female to breed to reggie just to sell pups.they dont put any thought in to it.when they dont turn out to be top dogs.they say reggie dont throw nice pups.reggie got some really nice pups out there

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

i think you cant go just go by the sire along.take reggie for example,a real nice dog,i see alot of people take any old female to breed to reggie just to sell pups.they dont put any thought in to it.when they dont turn out to be top dogs.they say reggie dont throw nice pups.reggie got some really nice pups out there

And that my friend is the rest of the story......I bred to my buddies that have helped me and been there, if pups aint no count it would probaly be my fault as most friends got nice bitches.
Most people bred good to good.It never seemed to work for me.After years of dealing with the public, I dont enjoy talking on the phone to people that never bred to me anyhow.Point being if the pups dont turn out its my fault, my dogs are bred to reproduce i wish more bitches were.Good post.

[fulcount]

Harley
you hit it right on
Chapkos your pissin against the wind my man! but every one to their own thats what makes the world go round
man should be lookin for control first with good foot then he can step up the foot in one right cross speed is the easiest to breed for if one looks for "sheer speed"

John O
PS bring it on!!!

[fulcount]

I've watched the Junie dog run and i agree he has foot but we cant consider him "sheer speed"
he has quite a lot of control to go with his foot
He IS the real deal rabbit dog
John O

[chapkosbeagles]

i have dogs that have a lot of control with real good foot speed, but i want to take it to the next level. my one good female that i really like can fly, and claims the line with good control she is not wild. she runs real smooth i have been soloin her all summer she seems to have all the tools that i can ask for. that is why i was looking for more speed i figured since she had the other stuff why not try to bring up the foot

[Nor' Easter]

I think if they produce a FTCH per bredding they're doing good, more than that is a plus. My old dog FTCH Fillmore's Northern Sly produced 15 + champs in less than 15 breedings, at the same time another dog beat him for sire of the year BUT was bred 70 times at that point. Sly's pups had half or more as many points as the other dog, who was the better producer??
Sly was bred to good bitches, both his grandparents were the top producers for a long time also, ( Go Joe goes back to Sly and some exellent hounds, I think he should produce well, but time will only tell.
Location, location, location as they say. Our best studs up here in the Northeast don't get much breedings as they should, only if someone from the US buys them and then they are bred like crazy.
Top Sire means very little until you look at the % of breedings to Champion or great dogs that they sired. The male & female are responsible for 50%/50% of what is whelped.
It's usually late in a studs life that people realize these percentages, keeping a close eye on what they produce is the best way to know what they're made of. Some blood mixes well with certain blood and that's even harder to realize.Atlantic Canada hunting beagles web site shows the older dogs percentages, too bad CKC and AKC wouldn't do the same.

[BuschBound]

Nor' Easter, I really like the point you made about your the number of good pups your Sly dog produced. In only 15 breedings you had 15 FTC. I think that is awesome. You hit the nail right on the head when you said you bred him to good bitches. I'm sure alot of these owners of these top producers hadn't seen the bitch run nor even knew what the pedigree were like on these bitches. I'd take a pup off a dog that has only been bred twice with 4 outstanding pups out of the litter than take one off of a dog that has been bred twenty-five time and 10 of them outstanding. There is a dog that I know of that has been bred 3 time that I know of and he isn't a FC but some say he is the best snow dog around. He has had a very good percentage ratio. His name is Snow Run Murphy. I believe he has produced 2 - 3 FC's and has alot of real nice running dogs on the ground. I haven't heard of a bad one out of him yet. There are very few running on the trial circuit out of him here but the ones that did, turned out to be the real deal. Finding out percentages of good producers to no-so good producers isn't that hard to tell if the numbers of breedings is down. once a dog is bred over 20 times a owner of the stud mosly-likely forgets or really doesn't care how the pups are doing anymore. As long as they are still coming to the stud to bred it's all good..
Take a look into the pups for sale, Adults dogs for sale ads on this site and you will see who the hot dogs are out there. ( May even show you who will most-likely be the top producers)
FC Branko's Cougar Magnum accordling to Better Beagling was the runner-up last year, Now I have never seen any pups for sale out of him on this board or any other. So what this tells me is that alot of guys like what he is throwing and keeping them. I don't think this dog has been bred over 20 times and I believe he had 13 dogs placing in trials last year and not to mention the FC's he has produced.
IFC Green Bay Shooter is another that I know of that has 12 dogs already that have done well on the trial circuit and should be up there in the standings according to Better Beagling sire's list. There is a large group of young dogs coming out this fall out of him that are winners that really should make an impact on his breeding capabilities. These dogs are just a few that I can speak of due to I know these dogs and have seen pups out of them run. Does anyone know of any of the numbers of bitches and dogs placing or real good ones out there out of any of the other top producers?

[Nor' Easter]

For one thing better beagling doesn't enter any points from trials that are not advertised in thier mag. SO most of the Canadian dogs points are not even shown and many others I expect, Armando's Levi would be way up there wouldn't he??
Click on "All placing hounds" 2007 on beaglescanada web site and start figuring it out. You could look at 2008 also and 2006.
Also atlantic canada hunting beagles site.
I don't see any sites like this from the US. and you guys most of the time just say at such and such trial, 1st. place Jake 2nd. place Moe, 3rd. place Ringo, 4th. place Hogan, 5th. place Freddy. Well I can't figure out what the heck any of these dogs are out of etc. So most of us up here don't bother trying to find out because it's too hard unless you know lots of people in the circuit, and alot of that can be miss constrewed info.
I hope Bev's mag. will get us to where we need to be as far as results, points etc. I need to get one and so should the rest of you. In 2 of Sly's first litters there were in one litter 2 FTCH's , one with lots of points needing one 1st. to finish, and one SUPER gun dog never trialed, the other litter one FTCH, one Int'l FTCH and one with lots of points just needing a 1st to finish.He probably has more than 15 FTCH's, but I can't find proper results other than better beagling, oh yeah, Mikerma's the Judge was out of Sly too, he produced a few good ones I seen in results I like to here about. Check out the old trial results, 1998 on atlantic canadas hunting beagle site and you will see the pups had mega points.But that was then, this is now, still not easy to get the striaght info you would like.
Even if ya had an Int'l FTCH up here ya wouldn't get that many breedings, seems like alot of people try to get something from far away? And you guys don't ship up many bitches to breed as we send down (half the time to studs that came from here anyway ) There are some exellent hounds here in the maritimes always. Hunt, hunt, hunt 4 months a year with no bag limit and plenty of hare. The dogs get great upbringing.