Almost lost one to wormer

[Alabama John]

Beaglemomma,

I have used Equimax horse wormer for years and know of many others that do too and not had one problem. Give each dog one click monthly during fly seasons. None of any kind other months.

How much horse wormer did you give and were you also giving anything else like goat wormer? How often did you give it?

Sounds like you might have overdosed on something somehow since all your dogs acted a little strange unlike only one had some alergic reaction of some kind. If its something you are doing by not understanding, giving Ivormec as others on here are helping you understand, will cause it to happen again.

I'm asking not to scold or blame you, but help us that use an oral horse wormer with Ivermectin.

[NeilKimbrel7]

I'm not exactly sure but it doesn't seem practical for a company to make up wormer for individual use. It's probably done in bulk to make it a more efficient and economical process. That being said I don't see how they could get away with not thoroughly mixing up the ingredients in the paste. As far as the other worms, my vet give my cousin panacure I believe for whip worms.

[Salzer mtn]

Hi to everyone. Been busy so haven't had time to write. Just wanted to let you all know about a little incident I went through. Finally got the sister to the Beagle I lost back in 2003. Got Goldie in January and she is a rabbit running machine. When I wormed with the Imovec horse wormer the first week of October she acted a little off. I wormed all of the dogs on Monday afternoon, by eight pm she was drooling all over, having tremors, and walking into things. I rushed her to the vet to find out she was poisoned by bad wormer. The vet put her on an IV and gave her Valium. Brought her home and kept her on the IV and Valium. Made a big pot of Chicken Noodle soup and started giving her about two drops every ten to twenty minutes. Wednesday I had to take her back to the vet and have another IV port put in since the one plugged up and she couldn't get fluid. She wasn't any better by Thursday. Called the vet and he said she may not make it since she wasn't responding. I was hysterical. I took out the IV and quit giving her Valium. I stayed with the soup since I didn't want her to dehydrate. Friday afternoon she decided she was going to walk. I took her out with a towel around her belly holding her up. She decided she wanted to be on her own so I let he go. She walked, fell down got up. Took her in and she ate a whole bowl of soup. By Sunday she was walking on her own, still wobbly but staying up for quite a while. Monday night on the daily dog walk, she jumped a rabbit. Took about another week for her pupils to get back to normal. A couple of the other dogs acted goofy, but not like her. Gave them shredded wheat (they all love it) and they were ok. The vet bill was $600 but to me she is worth every penny. The vet said that the tube wormer is not always mixed to a homogenous mixture and Goldie must have got the line where the concentrate is. We missed a trial that I was looking forward too, but this ending was good. Now my question, what can I use for Heart worms? I can't afford the Heartgard for seven dogs. You all have been doing this for years and I trust your advice. Has anyone else ever had this happen? PS My supervisor told me stay home and take care of her, I have a great job. Happy Holidays to all!!

You said that you wormed all of the dogs on a Monday afternoon. Why didn't the other ones get sick ? The vet said you used bad wormer, yet if you wormed all of them, why did it not effect all of them ? Vet put her on a IV and valium yet she was not getting any better till you started feeding her chicken noodle soup and took out the IV and quit giving her a valium. Sounds to me like the vet's remidies done her no good. I was looking on a local board today and this woman had bought a pit bull pup that was supposed to be AKC reg. She took the pup to the vet for a check up and the vet informed her that AKC does not recognize Pit Bulls so her pup could not be AKC reg. So now this woman is all over the board bashing the breeder of the pup she bought because she has taken the word of a vet.

[Alabama John]

Neil,

Horse wormers do as you say and have clicks on each despenser, 12 I think or maybe 15, I can't remember. So you can give one click or ever how many you want to. A young colt would get less clicks than a big horse, etc.

if it all, eveey click, was not mixed right, we would all have to give the whole thing everytime and sure wouldn't want that, dogs or horses.

[Bobby Vest]

AKC calls their version of the Pit Bull a Staffordshire Terrier. Years ago they made the breeders of these dogs lean more to show stock than for gameness.

[Bobby Vest]

I know a lot of our people use horse and other type paste wormers but I just don't understand it. I can go to my vet and get any type liquid wormer for canines and you know exactly how much to give and no guess work. The wormers are not expensive so why buy wormers designed for other animals? I don't like the one shot does it all pill wormers I run these dogs hard and they never look good when I use them. There are vet supply companies in most large cities and most of tham will sell you what you need at a great buy.

[Beaglemomma]

First I want to thank evryone for the input. I have used horsewormer for years. My vet said that not all companies ensure homogenous mix since the whole tube is given to a horse. Of course the companies out is that there isn't a dog on the label like someone else commented. Of my seven dogs two acted kind of reactive and only the one got real sick. I was told one line per 100 pounds. I divide a line up. There are twelve lines on a tube so for a 1200 lb horse the whole tube. We have some 900 lb horses and give nine lines. When I had the liquid, I lived in North Carolina, I remember it was a very small amount and the bottle lasted a long time. My vet treated her for seizures and kept her from dehydrating. My grandmother taught me that chicken soup cures most things. I prefer herbal/natural to chemical any day. I know sometimes the other is necessary and works better, so I'm not bashing either.
I would like to try Bev's suggestion since it works on all worms, right? Is there a worm that cannot be eliminated?

[johns03272008]

First off anyone that does not know that a pitbull is not eligable to be AKC does not need a pitbull in the first place second AKC recognizes american staffordshire which is smaller than a American pitbull terrier! Pits are ADBA registered ans some other made up registry but anyways the vet on the dog issue knew what he-she was talking about now on the wormer I don't think it was a bad dose like the vet said but remember a wormer will kill or almost kill a dog that already HAS heart worms so check into that and get the all clear on that then you can go from there!!

[Bev]

beaglemomma, Interceptor's active ingredient is milbemycin. Heartgard's is ivermectin. Both Interceptor and Heartgard are safe for dogs because they are mixed and packaged for dogs. Unless Heartguard has caught up, Interceptor is the only medicine that provides heartwotm prevention and keeps dogs free of whip worms, round worms, and hook worms. Whips and hooks are especially nasty if they happen to get them, and both will take a dog down pretty quickly. Tape worm is the only worm Interceptor won't get. You don't treat for tape worms unless you see them, they aren't that harmful. If you do see them, Droncit or Drontal will knock them out in one dose.

Let's examine the cost of Interceptor. It's around $4 per month. $48/year to safely keep your dog free from heartworms and gut worms. Unless they get tapes, you'll never have to worry about buying any other wormers ever. $48 per year buys me a lot of peace of mind. That's really some inexpensive insurance as far as I'm concerned. I wad that pill up in a piece of bread once per month and it's done. I don't mix, measure, dilute, squirt, or buy any apparatus to do all that with.

I'm not scolding either, but I want to bring this into a different perspective. You said your vet bill was $600, but she was worth every penny. Is she worth $48 per year for the rest of her life? $600 would have kept a dozen dogs on Interceptor all year long.

I hope this helps.

[Mitch DeVore]

So the one click method of the horse wormer is for 100lb body weight is it not? Also is it 1% 1.87% or what? Heartguard,Tri heart,Intercepter and a few others are heartworm prevntion. They have other meds in it for gut worms. I am not saying this is the only way to go but it sure takes the guess work out. On another note I have heard some people say that some mosquitos have become resistant to ivomec .   Mitch

[NorWester1]

Couple of points come to mind. First off, is it possible at all the dog was infected with heartworm at the time it was de-wormed?
De-worming a dog with some degree of the parasite can cause all sorts of problems, even death.

As a side note the American Pitbull Terrier can be registered by a number of organizations, the most common I believe are the A.D.B.A. and the U.K.C.
The American Staffordshire Terrier can be registered by the AKC and the CKC and I imagine a number of registries overseas.
The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is also registered by the AKC, CKC and a number of organizations overseas.

There are still some American Pit Bull Terriers that are UKC registered as such but also AKC & CKC registered as American Staffordshire Terriers. Dual registration is not entirely uncommon and there are no doubt some lines that are triple registered (with the ADBA as the third).
It should also be noted that every AmStaff in existence is descended from dogs that were UKC registered American Pit Bull Terriers.
The UKC was orginally formed to register the American Pit Bull Terrier....soley. It wasn't until later on other breeds were added.

[Beaglemomma]

Bev you are right and I will go that way for all seven of them. I had annual shots and heartworm tests the month before. She wasn't showing any symptoms.

We have a male that my son found in a plastic bag on the highway with three dead puppies. He appeared to be about four to six weeks. He appears to be pit and lab (webbed feet & two black marks) other wise he looks like a lemon and white pit. He has beautiful green eyes. I have never wanted a pit, a personal preference, not bashing the breed. He is being raised as a beagle. He put his nose to the ground and runs with his tail up. The other two male mutts we have and my oldest girl, beagle, wrestle with him all the time and he enjoys it. I have this inborn fear of him acting like a pit with their terrible reputation. He seems extremely good natured and I hope he stays that way. In this area most of the larger towns have a ban on pits. When are people going to realize there aren't bad dogs or horses, just bad people. He could have done worse, right now he is laying on my bed napping. I hate the way people classify dogs. I do agree some can be warped, but then so can people be vicious. I look at it this way, without human intervention to upset the natural balance how many dogs, cats, horses, etc. wouldn't be here?