Most proven stud dog on the ground as of today

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Re: Most proven stud dog on the ground as of today

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Lone Pine Beagles wrote:If he's still alive?

I'd have to say "Cruises Jim Dandy"

I think he has produced over 60 PP champs.

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Lone Pine Beagles , sounds like a nice stud. I just hope the 60 champs didn't come from over 350 breedings.

Again, sticking to Little Pack studs. In reference to the question from mfusco83.
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Why does number of breedings have anything to do with it. If the dog is not a producer, I don't care how many times he is bred he will not produce. If a dog is consistantly producing rabbit dogs, who cares how many times they have been bred, as long as they keep producing rabbit dogs.

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If a dog has 100 pups on the ground and 20 champs? What if a dog has 1000 pups and 45 champs?? I will go with 20% over 4.5% who can disagree on that? LP, PP, or any other. I know we are just looking at LP.

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I understand what you're saying Jim, but how many of those pups ever made it to trials? How many of those pups went as house pets? There are too many variables, if the dog is producing rabbit dogs, then you can't really worry about percentages of pups that have a title in front of there name.

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John you are correct. I was just basing on pure statistics from a trial stand point cause we sometimes get caught up in that more so than just the quality of a "hunting dog" to go out and do what it is bred to do, hunt for a rabbit, chase it as if to catch it, and be standing there after the meat is in your hands. How many of the best hounds never see a trial or any competition and just go there whole lives as the death of many rabbits and a natural born rabbit dog??? Can't get those #'s!! :D

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Now you're talkin' Jim!

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John-PA wrote:Why does number of breedings have anything to do with it. If the dog is not a producer, I don't care how many times he is bred he will not produce. If a dog is consistantly producing rabbit dogs, who cares how many times they have been bred, as long as they keep producing rabbit dogs.
IF a dog is breed enough you have numbers on your side, and breed enough
bitches you will get a percentage of good dogs if not on nothing but the bitches
reproducing power. Most dogs that are true reproducers tend to be prepotent for
there traits, and reproduce with "ALMOST" anything you breed them too. I think a lot of people
tend to forget about the female, a lot of these studs are reproducing because they are being
bred to a top notch female that can reproduce. When a dog has been bred to a small number
of females and just about every cross works that's reproducing, not when a dog has been bred
say 300 times and produced 30 champions. I don't think 10% is a very high rate of reproducing.
When I say reproducing I mean rabbit dogs, not necessarily trial dogs as some dogs are never trialed but are still top notch doing what they were bred to do. Most of the people I know that have and breed top notch dogs, don't sell them as house pets.

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In my opinion its hard to overlook Reggie as a producer.Yes has a lot of pups on the ground but heck he was hot at the time.I dont know 1 dog (and i might be wrong) that did what he did in a year in a half to finish nkc world ,akc fc,and ifc.His daughter won the world 2 years in a row and has places in midwest.He has several dogs this past year win big state hunts (little pack) .He is the better beagling sire of the year 2010.Hes running away with it now for this year.His bloodline alone for me says producer.His pups are even producing some nice dogs.Bottom line to me breed a nice female to him a you will be fine.The number of litters he has sired always seems to come back on him in discussion.Its not his fault or the owners fault.I say if i had all that money in him as i am sure kevin did (traveling and trials) i would want to get my momey back too.but i am sure he didnt pull anybodys hair to breed to him.My vote goes to Reggie and shooter is right up their along with viagra.I dont think shooter is public stud.

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Every time Reggie is mentioned the numbers game comes up yes he has bred 150 or so bitches and I am sure some of them couldnt even circle a rabbit and some of them were top notch bitches but like I said in my original post bring a QUALITY bitch to him and he wont disappoint.I am pretty sure that 3 of the Big 5 hunts open classes were won by Reggie pups
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Most proven on the ground today!

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I think what Troy is trying to tell you guys is that if you count the number of breedings VS the number of LP Champion dogs
on the ground ... Roll On Buddy wins .

However I think Reggie has done extremely well for himself . Although I'd say the 150 breedings wouldn't start it , at least
Reggie turned out some very nice hounds and it didn't take him forever .

If Reggie was bred 300 times at $300.00 a whack that's $90,000.00 awesome !!!
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hard on a check wrote:I dont think that anyone has ever said it was the dogs or the owners fault,no its not the dogs fault ,and no its not the owners fault.my oppinion is that numbers dont lie.150 litters would equal around 900 pups.out of the 900 how many are field champions?
You have to be excactly right because i know for a fact all 900 of those pups were trialed and there is only about a 100 of them that is winning and placing in different formats, so there is no way Reggie is a reproducer, what are people thinking. :shock: So the chances of some one getting a rabbit dog out of Reggie are slim to none. :shock:


Reggie keep up the good work you none reproducer. :hammer:


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It is proven that there is no, one dog fix all. I also believe if you take a good gyp to Reggie or any other stud that has desirable traits you will get something you may be looking for. Also, I believe you should try to compliment the bitch with the appropriate stud(keeping in mind athleticism, brains, nose, accuracy of mouth, line control etc etc). Preferably i would want both to have good hunt. That being said, proven producer also means more to me. It means It throws likeness of their traits in a majority of pups. With this in mind, none that I've seen, IMO , is better than durbin valley hitman hart. Still I have gyps with certain characteristics in mind that would match up with him better than others.
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