Success by using the "flavor of the month"??

[BG BEAGLER]

I disagree....I think u have a better shot at making a dog with good blood behind it...how many ky derby winners r grade or have unrecognized studs in their pedigree....it the same difference....u also Jane to run dogs to get the best out of them they can't do it on their pedigree alone....u gotta be able to recognize what each dog needs to perform at their best...every dog is different....u get what u pay for but u better do ur homework on stud dogs and pedigrees and u better be able to cull...2nd year I got into trialing hard me and Kevin ran nine pups culled 7 the other two made fc in 9 months...some of the culls made rabbit champions for other people just werent what we were looking for....can't be blind and the blood and time gotta be there

[BG BEAGLER]

And before anyone says that we sold culls one of the 7 gets limited entries made winners pack every trial she been in one died with some places in Akc and Kevin and I judged the finals of a state hunt 2-3 years ago and 4 out of the 5 dogs were some that we sold out of those 7...they were good dogs just not great dogs...and each of them were from good bloodlines...the 7th dog we have to a gun hunter

[Big Mike]

I disagree....I think u have a better shot at making a dog with good blood behind it...how many ky derby winners r grade or have unrecognized studs in their pedigree....it the same difference.

"Mind that Bird"" comes to mind as the most recent . However, would you agree that the better question would be , which i believe is the theme of this thread, how many Kentucky Derby winners have produced KY Derby winners? Their have been some, but few and far between. Since 1943 I believe only four, someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[BG BEAGLER]

The particular race is the variable in the equation...the constant is the bloodlines....ky derby winners have produced champion horses that have won other races...to each his own ill stick with the bloodlines seems to work for us...it can be argued either way....go to the King ranch an ask them how many grade horses they got to cowboy on....then try and buy one

[BG BEAGLER]

Also another good question is How many off spring of ky derby winners have ran in the race...just cause they didn't win font mean they weren't a hell of a horse They don't just let any Hi HO Silver enter such a prestigious event

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Between Native Dancer and Settle Slew, you pretty much cover your bases on every horse that runs," Sterickler said. There isn’t a single horse running in the 2012 Kentucky Derby that isn’t related to one of those horses, and a number are related to both, I believe there are 3 direct sons of derby winning studs that have won the derby themselves....
Lot harder than it looks huh? Flavor of the month or not.

[CGS KENNEL SHAWN]

One of the question that I have is will the owner of the so called flavor of the month or high breed derby winners give the same look as a dog that has been worked with for a couple of years and turns out to be a good solid hound over time. Or do they get culled alot faster because of how they have been breed with the expectations to be world beaters. I think often times it comes do the the expectations that have been placed on a dog by the owner to preform other than letting the dog get to his peak performace before calls are made just a thought.

[johns03272008]

I disagree....I think u have a better shot at making a dog with good blood behind it...how many ky derby winners r grade or have unrecognized studs in their pedigree....it the same difference....u also Jane to run dogs to get the best out of them they can't do it on their pedigree alone....u gotta be able to recognize what each dog needs to perform at their best...every dog is different....u get what u pay for but u better do ur homework on stud dogs and pedigrees and u better be able to cull...2nd year I got into trialing hard me and Kevin ran nine pups culled 7 the other two made fc in 9 months...some of the culls made rabbit champions for other people just werent what we were looking for....can't be blind and the blood and time gotta be there

Amen buddy!! FC's are MADE NOT BORN

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Go Ahead and say it John.

[chapkosbeagles]

Just look at trial results midwest,lph,arha,ukc there are a lot of fc in these formatt that are right out of the flavor of the month 4 years ago
how do u think ranger dan became the number 1 reproducer he was the flavor for years

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Let's just say ol bill had a akc dog tied out back, never seen a trial. But threw some great hounds with just a few rabbit hunting buddies breeding. One of his offspring went to a trailer. He bred ever bitch he could find. Big name dogs and just grade hounds. Nothing he bred was worth a quarter except a grade hound pup, he wins the world hunt. Is this half reg dog worth breeding too?

[johns03272008]

Go Ahead and say it John.

Jimmy their is more than just a birthday we share in common, its the love for a hard running honest mouth rabbit hating machine!!!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

One of the question that I have is will the owner of the so called flavor of the month or high breed derby winners give the same look as a dog that has been worked with for a couple of years and turns out to be a good solid hound over time. Or do they get culled alot faster because of how they have been breed with the expectations to be world beaters. I think often times it comes do the the expectations that have been placed on a dog by the owner to preform other than letting the dog get to his peak performace before calls are made just a thought.

Shawn as dumb as it sounds . My honest opinion, if I buy a dog bred well out of John Boy I kinda except to at least too have a shot if I run him right. Right? After all John boy is top caliper and he has been exposed to heat and power and did well. I think the stud dogs name helps win trials if it close. Nobody ever ask me who junies mom was. IMHO.

[CGS KENNEL SHAWN]

Jimmy you are right about a high caliber dog being run right. That is a mouth full of a statement in a few words any maybe I should have stated it that way. I guess my point is sometimes we forget to put the same effort into running right based on expectations.

[CGS KENNEL SHAWN]

And i do agree the traits shouold be passed from stud to puppy otherwise why breed to the hound. We have been having good results from his puppies and if given a chance to run right they should do fine from what I have been seeing. Thanks for the comments about Johnboy and Junie have been tested and will leave their marks on puppies to come.