What still constitutes a bloodline

[klrconcrete]

Maple Valley, Your comment about your dogs coming up and running hare better than Norwester's could do going down to run cottontail is very accurate I think anybody who lives in the South but travels to run hare frequently would back you up on that, I run hare exclusively and have what I consider decent dogs, I am sure that if I went South to run cottontail they would look bad for the most part, some hounds transition easily, but as a rule cottontail dog to hare - good hare dog to cottontail- not so good just the way it seems to be from my experience. With that being said I want to see your pack come up and run in the s**t that me and a buddy hunted in today- rough going at best on man and dog! Kurt Robinson

[jim matuszewski]

Hey Kurt, it can be done the other way ,I live in the farnorth east corner of. wi. were I live (forest co.) There are'nt any cotton tail I run exclusivly on snowshoe.I was reading about the hunting beagle format fro UKC and decided 2007 to take 15" male Down by Plymouth Wi for state hunt that year and he won the regesterd dogstate hunt.

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dog was7 and had almost 0 cotton tail running took him afew times after that he did'nt fare as well but he could always run cottontails.What helps this dog out with what ever kind of rabbit,hareyou turn him on he is an unbelevable jump dog ,almost never gets beat on first one up.Not to say that he is great cottontail dog there are things that he dose running hare that don't work as well on cottons

[RiverBottom]

Looks like I got throwed out of this race. I had a good excuse, I was gone hunting

I read all those books, but I only comment on what I have seen first hand. For the record, I hunt hare in any conditions that come along (-44 for the morning low on Friday, -10 when I hit the woods). I also run in the summer, mostly at night, when I can stand the mosquitoes, and I run and train my dogs on cottontails year round. My goal on bare ground is to catch the hare, my goal on snow is just to get some running. Here's a few things I have seen:

Tried lots of different kinds of beagles from all over, my hunting buddy has tried even more than me. When I want to see how they work in this country I just go and get some.

My wife brought home a female from MO, no pedigree, won a 1st and a 6th in ARHA LP. Above average dog in this country and the BEST producing female I ever had. Smartest dog of any breed I ever saw, LOTS of nose, and throws pups as good or better than herself. We have tried several other ARHA LP dogs that didn't make it here so that isn't a sure sign, but I would rather have another from that format than any AKC format I have seen.

Tried several from AKC LP, the "hare dogs". None made it here. Too rough, same speed or slower than mine, not enough nose, just can't hang on to the rabbit. Plenty of bottom, but leave a trail of blood behind them on hard, icy crust. I'm NOT saying there are none that I would like in this format, I just never found any.

Tried several from AKC SPO lines (the more conservative ones, never tried a Midwest dog). The best of these were very good dogs, enough nose to make it here and seldom loose the rabbit . The down side of these dogs, they slowed down when running got real bad. Can't do that on hare, scent is gone in seconds, they died on the line The other problem I had with these dogs had to do with conformation, they just ain't built for deep snow. They have to work much harder to get through it than my other dogs do. They are also prone to freezing their teats off. Last one I had, one of the best, lost half her teats running on an average winter day for us. Quit running her in winter, she is now someone's pet.

My dogs are closer to UKC H&H dogs than any other format (except maybe ARHA LP). Bred to a dog, Terry Daniel's Shy, that won a bunch in that format. Shy's only problem in the hunts was too much nose Not saying all UKC dogs are good snow dogs either, I paid a pile of money and drove to WV to get a full sister to a well known UKC stud dog. Gave it away

Would my dogs do well on cottontails in KY? Not right off the bat, no. If they were born and raised in that country, some would. That's the kind of hunting the dogs in their pedigree were doing

Would those KY dogs do well here in January? Not right away, they never seen anything like this If they were raised up running this way, they might just do better than anything I have. Then again, they might not. Who can say until you try it?

[Ron Conroe]

just wondering why you would kick mybeagles off the board for giving his opinion, is it because of you or everybody else, i guess i'm talking to pike ridge your the board mediatator.

[bucks better beagles]

Please, someone summarize this thread for me. I don't have time to go over everything.

[mtnwaykennel]

I been looking at this thread... I liked the original post. I think it was a good topic. Seems it has taken' a turn in the wrong direction...

If your dog can run in deep snow... congrats... if it can run in 100 degree temps... congrats... a hound with the ability will run where it needs to run. I believe that with all my heart.

I have no dout... that when you drop a hound in an extreme condition it will take a bit to adjust, just as it takes a hound a little to adjust from hare to cottontails. I am not talking about weeks... I am talking about dropping off the tailgait and first track up.

You all seem to be right ...

As for Bev... I have read her post... and I think she knows as much or more than anyone on here.

mybeagles I have watched your post and you seem to speak from some time in the fields.... But I think you are both hardheaded

What still constitutes a bloodline... when someone takes a hound from a breeder who has dedicated much time to breed the beagle that they think is perfect or close to it,... and the person who takes that beagle agree's with the "perfect" to that theory and continues that breeding with the same purpose... mirrored crosses and sweet dreams of the day when what they breed makes them happy and they feel they lack nothing.

To me and you that line of hounds may be pot lickers.... but the notion of perfection is in the eyes of the beholder.

That still constitutes the bloodline. Kinda like me when I contact dexter and ask his opinion when breeding a hound that came from him... faith in the masters create strenth in the followers




Bill Woods

[Bunnyblaster]

It's a long one and near as I can tell it's people bickering over opinions again and again and again and then someone gets a little mad and throws in a personal attack and the the s#%! hits the fan. I don't post much on this board and it's mostly because I just like to read what other more experienced beaglers have to say until you run into this crap. Grow up, get over it and move on!! It's not a bad thread if you can sort through the crap.

Everyone sees things differently and has an opinion, it's what makes us human. The really ignorant people are the ones that can't listen to the other side and learn from it, even if it's learning what not to do sometimes.

And this isn't directed at any specific person just in case someone decides to jump on me for saying something.

[Bunnyblaster]

I just read MTN's post, that's the kind of post like to read when I get on here.

[Ron Conroe]

like i said mybeagles won't be getting your post, they booted him off for giving his opinion, he must of hurt someones feelings. it's bad when you can give yours and then boot someone off for giving there's.

[wvduece]

just wondering why you would kick mybeagles off the board for giving his opinion, is it because of you or everybody else, i guess i'm talking to pike ridge your the board mediatator.

was mybeagles for real banned from the board

[Ron Conroe]

yes, he tryed to log on this morning and they would not let him. he said he's been on here for 6 years so he does know how to log on.

[mtnwaykennel]

I don't believe he hurt anyones feelings.....

I would say that he has his opinions... same as me or you.... just we state them in different ways.

I have met some of the big named beaglers on this board... and some I thought were strange... till I met them. It is hard to get a reading on a man ( or woman ) over the internet. I have found that these big name beaglers have a big name for a reason... they are big people. You take a lot on your shoulders when you have a hound that you push... and the hound stands many-a' dog on it's head... you get people gunning for you and after a while you develope a line of defense..... Hell I know I would.

I dout my hounds could hang with MapleValley or Norwester's in the conditions desribed... but it would be fun trying.

I am in this for fun... and to breed the "perfect" beagle in my eyes. Now that it is slow at work I spend much more time on the internet than I care to admitt and I have more of a chance to look at all these disussions. I think that people take things out of context .. and it is what it is.

Love ya .. mean it ...

Bill Woods

[Bev]

just wondering why you would kick mybeagles off the board for giving his opinion, is it because of you or everybody else, i guess i'm talking to pike ridge your the board mediatator.

mybeagles wasn't deactivated for giving his opinion, and it wasn't Pike Ridge who deactivated him. It was me. He made it personal after ample warning. Larry G is gone for the same. I am amazed sometimes at the arrogance, lack of respect, and sense of entitlement some people have. I would never go into someone else's house, trash their living room, eat their food, call them a bad host, and then wonder why they didn't want me around.

"Just giving an opinion" doesn't really describe that behavior does it? Go sell that somewhere else, Ron. Are you equally unhappy here? 'Cuz I can fix that.


I've been told by many that I take too much crap from people. I'm giving their words consideration.

[Ron Conroe]

i'm just leting everybody know whats going on, i don't think theres nothing wrong with that is there?.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Bev..you've been more than fair and if anyone thinks differently go try visiting some other boards and show disrespect to the board ownership or members and see how long you last. Bev is WAY more tolerant and fair than 99% of the boards I have visited.
And, we're not going to turn it into a big debate either.
Let it go.