Using a yound dog for breeding under a year old.

NorWester · Post by **NorWester** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:30 pm

I wouldnt doubt that there are a pile of young dogs bred....all the time. I also doubt you'll get the info being sought from the AKC. True enough the young dog will produce the same whether he is 6 months or 6 years, however, the kicker is that if he indeed turns out to be a bag of crap now his traits are thrown back in the genetic "hopper" of your line and by breeding him you've taken a step in the direction to seriously weaken that line. All in the name of a nice looking pedigree.

This would also explain why there are so many substandard dogs on the market these days. Answer this .......would you breed to this dog if his pedigree was unkown? The secret to breeding success is selection, and although this dogs pedigree is known his potential is still unknown or at least not fully realized. This is plain and simply a gamble and poor breeding practice. No doubt one can come up with reasons all day long to justify such a breeding but the truth is very few actually hold any water.

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:22 am

backyard beagler wrote:well I don't have any degree in breeding beagles but I breed a 10 month old female about 4 years ago and I am happy with the results, I breed her because the male was old and I didn't want to chance waiting a year then about a year later a buddy breed a litter mate to the same male and she didn't take so I am happy I chose to go ahead with it.
I liked what I saw out of the female at the time she had a lot of rabbits put in front of her that season and she ended up turning out exactly how I thought she would.
now on the other hand I have a female almost 3 years old that I waited until she was 2 years old to breed her, she didn't take and about five months later she started bleeding and I thought she was coming in heat again but to make a long story short she has a uterus infection and that was in September and after a lot of money spent I still don't know if she has cleared up completely so if I knew then what I know now I would have breed her earlier, I'm not sure if it would have made a difference or not but every time I hear her jump and smoke a rabbit I almost get sick thinking of the time I have put in this dog and possibly not getting any pups out of her. I say do what you think you need to do and don't look back.

So really does one need to breed to an 8 month old stud????To me there is no good reasoning to do so .And thats that.It was said an 8 month old PUPPY.enough said.Dan

backyard beagler · Post by **backyard beagler** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:36 am

coyote hunter wrote:
backyard beagler wrote:well I don't have any degree in breeding beagles but I breed a 10 month old female about 4 years ago and I am happy with the results, I breed her because the male was old and I didn't want to chance waiting a year then about a year later a buddy breed a litter mate to the same male and she didn't take so I am happy I chose to go ahead with it.
I liked what I saw out of the female at the time she had a lot of rabbits put in front of her that season and she ended up turning out exactly how I thought she would.
now on the other hand I have a female almost 3 years old that I waited until she was 2 years old to breed her, she didn't take and about five months later she started bleeding and I thought she was coming in heat again but to make a long story short she has a uterus infection and that was in September and after a lot of money spent I still don't know if she has cleared up completely so if I knew then what I know now I would have breed her earlier, I'm not sure if it would have made a difference or not but every time I hear her jump and smoke a rabbit I almost get sick thinking of the time I have put in this dog and possibly not getting any pups out of her. I say do what you think you need to do and don't look back.
So really does one need to breed to an 8 month old stud????To me there is no good reasoning to do so .And thats that.It was said an 8 month old PUPPY.enough said.Dan

well in the original post it didn't say anything about an 8 month old stud he ask have you ever breed a young dog and were you happy with the results and yes I know why the ?? was brought up. If you don't want to breed to a 8 month old stud DON'T, I can't say I would either unless it was reversed and you was breeding to a young female to an older stud, does that make it right? I don't know but if I feel the female is good enough and I'm afraid of missing out on breeding to an extremely good male then I will mainly because I feed my dogs and I don't give a darn if someone on the internet thinks its the correct way to do things or not.

crewchf · Post by **crewchf** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:54 am

My little Scooter's only gonna be 8 months old and I've got to tell you guys,,,, he don't know which end to stick it in yet!!! You've got to see him around my females practicing,, he's a riot!!!!!!!

Crew Chief

blunder · Post by **blunder** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:28 pm

Well, if the dog (or bitch) throws dysplastic pups at 8 mo, it will still throw dysplastic pups at 2 years. The only difference is that you can't get an OFA on the dog (or bitch) at 8 mo, and it isn't nearly old enough to see if it suffers from EIC, seazures, or much of anything else. So would I be interested in breeding to an 8 mo old dog (or bitch)???? Somehow I don't think so!!
Give your puppy a chance to grow up so that you will have a better idea of any genetic reasons not to breed it.

tom

Greg H · Post by **Greg H** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:40 pm

What in the heck does displastic mean???

blunder · Post by **blunder** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:45 pm

http://www.offa.org/hipinfo.html

17.4% of Beagles tested have it.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:17 pm

Since Pee Wee Griz has been such a good reproducer why not go directly to him and bypass all this confusion

Farwest · Post by **Farwest** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:58 pm

Mclurkn3, what truth did you get out of the AKC? Your not telling us, must not be too good

Mclurkn3 · Post by **Mclurkn3** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:14 pm

Farwest.
Sorry I didn't get back to you fast enough... I am calling them as we type.... Trust me, I will put the results on here Good or Bad, it's not going to affect me at all.

Jason

Mclurkn3 · Post by **Mclurkn3** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:55 pm

OKay Here is what AKC said....

"The "7 month rule" was voted on by the delegates 50 yrs ago...". They didn't do research or anything.... they "beleive" that this rule came into effect due to the physical side of mating... They didn't have a way to calculate the amount of dogs that breed younger than a year.

I hope this helps!

blunder · Post by **blunder** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:26 pm

What I figured they would say about the stats, it just isn't something they track that way.

I can't say I would either unless it was reversed and you was breeding to a young female to an older stud

What difference would that make???
Young female, young stud,,,, same difference, the pup is still bringing 50% of the genes to the table. At least the young stud wouldn't have to go through welping a litter.

tom

backyard beagler · Post by **backyard beagler** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:50 pm

What difference would that make???
Young female, young stud,,,, same difference, the pup is still bringing 50% of the genes to the table. At least the young stud wouldn't have to go through welping a litter

well if you read what I posted I didn't say it made a difference I said I don't know if it would or not but I wouldn't miss breeding to an extremely good male if he was getting around or above 12 and I had a young female that was tearing it up like the one I breed was, I wouldn't and haven't made this a habit but I would breed the same dog to the same female if I could do it again, but she was the last female he breed that took so I was happy I done it. I also think mother nature wouldn't let females come in heat if they wasn't capable of handling it.

blunder · Post by **blunder** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:50 pm

well if you read what I posted

In case you missed it I will quote you again;

I can't say I would either unless it was reversed and you was breeding to a young female to an older stud

I wouldn't miss breeding to an extremely good male if he was getting around or above 12

There will always be another exceptional male next year. Besides you can always go the frozen AI rout.

tom

backyard beagler · Post by **backyard beagler** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:16 am

OK here is what I was talking about

I can't say I would either unless it was reversed and you was breeding to a young female to an older stud, does that make it right? I don't know

I wasn't saying it was right or if it made a difference I don't know.
Maybe I need to get out more because I have only hunted over 2 dogs that I would call extremely good and you are right I guess I could always go with the frozen AI but I choose not to especially when I can breed to the male.