inbreeding ???

steve · Post by **steve** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:05 pm

mybeagles
I don't think I'm smarter then you I also don't feel I'm counseling the young at heart here a question was asked about breeding and I tried to respond or tried to get info from this topic that's all what gets old and real sickening is the IDIOT comments from the ignorants on this subject that's what bugs me.As for your last post you are now starting to ask good questions with out being a smart ass about it and questions like that can get good positive answers.I can't say I've got my ducks in a row here with my breeding program but one thing for sure is my male is getting old and I hope to have some traits locked in real solid and have a few male and female with dominate traits locked in before it's to late.As for your last ? no I'm not interested in offering anything to public for stud this is a mission I started and plan on seeing it through for a while without any more new blood.

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:34 pm

First of all dickhead Dave I never said you ask about the great hunters or FC I ask that ?? and you didn't answer just what I taught you would answer ,anyway you can wait on the door step until the big dogs come back home just like the puppy you are,you know nothing at all.All the best to you in the future and I really do hope you learn somthing about sportsmenship if nothing else ,how old you say you were 10-12 yrs. old??when you grow up I am sure you will be a good man.Take care and all the best Dan.

mybeagles · Post by **mybeagles** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:53 pm

Steve, I am always curious about the different breeding methods...I dont think I have condemed anyone about inbreeding, but I dont mind playing the devils advocate either. If a new beagler reads the first 4-5 posts on this thread, they might come away thinking inbreeding is the way.

From what I understand of inbreeding, you need to be very familiar with a line of dogs before you start. Knowing what pos/neg traits exist in your line would seem key in knowing what dogs to cull so you wouldnt have to keep them till full grown.

I have posted before that dogs belong to the owner, whatever breeding practices they choose is none of my business.....the results will show!

Steve, hopefully you dont take my comments too personal. They are not directed at any one person but rather the topic....keep us posted with the success or failure you have with future inbred crosses. I will however always object when I see threads encouraging new breeders to inbreed, I honestly dont think its in their best interest. I asume when someone starts a thread they are interested in hearing the good and bad......When someone post of bad experiences with inbreeding they get labeled an idiot, moron, inexperienced breeder etc....I have experimented with it with two litters, with some of the best dogs Ive seen and had very poor results. That needs to be posted as well, not just the rare success story....dave

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:58 pm

First of all dickhead Dave I never said you ask about the great hunters or FC I ask that ?? and you didn't answer just what I taught you would answer ,anyway you can wait on the door step until the big dogs come back home just like the puppy you are,you know nothing at all.All the best to you in the future and I really do hope you learn somthing about sportsmenship if nothing else ,how old you say you were 10-12 yrs. old??when you grow up I am sure you will be a good man.Take care and all the best Dan.

cabin fever · Post by **cabin fever** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:07 pm

Coyote hunter you really do have a problem comprehending what you read don't you? You get on here calling me childish names like your in grade school then talk about me growing up. There is no hope for you so until you learn to read and comprehend what it is you are reading I won't respond to any more of your post. I've raised my kids and don't have the time to deal with another one. Do yourself a favor and don't post anymore on the subject every time you do you just show how childish and ignorant you really are.

Dave

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:15 pm

I am sorry King breeder and master Dave I am finished with this because you do know nothing no doubt .Take care.The childish guy Dan.P.S you never did mention the fine breedings you have made or the knowledge where you get all your smarts from??I would be honored to you master if you would be so kind to share it with us all.

hammerenpatch · Post by **hammerenpatch** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:59 am

check out this ped. http://www.worldpedigrees.com/cgi-bin/p ... l?id=50575 look at all the FC and really dig into it

klrconcrete · Post by **klrconcrete** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:18 pm

I have read through this topic at least twice and have yet to read a verified success story from anyone on inbreeding, lots of name calling etc. Go ahead and stop this nonsense and post all YOUR OWN PERSONAL inbred crosses that have made you the self proclaimed experts you seem to be. I do not have one to tell I am not schooled enough in the field of genetics to breed this way! Uncle to Niece, Aunt to Nephew is probably as close as I would go. Kurt

mybeagles · Post by **mybeagles** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:48 pm

Hammerinpatch, there are traditional brace hounds that only have 4 or 5 hounds in a 4 generation pedigree, all with FC titles but guess what, yep, inbred fools. Culls in anyone elses kennel....many of them even look inbred, cross eyed, bow legged,etc....I like to field trial, but FC doesnt guarentee much unless its quantified. What your competing against. Other fools........?

Ron Conroe · Post by **Ron Conroe** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:34 pm

kurt you wont see one on here, because the guys trying this are like mad scientists, they read alot of mumbo jumbo and try to create something they cannot.when you start messing with mother nature bad things will happen.

klrconcrete · Post by **klrconcrete** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:47 pm

I watched a documentary not long ago that spoke of heavy inbreeding that was taking place within a herd of what I believe were Dall Sheep, I did not catch the whole show but what I got from it was that the gene pool was falling apart and thus so was the herd very weak immune systems, high infant mortality and the way it was worded at one point was the surviving adults didnt seem to know how they were supposed to act! I would say that last statement fits alot of Beagles I have seen in the last few years!! How about anyone else? Kurt

smithbros.1 · Post by **smithbros.1** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:16 pm

Steve, Coyote hunter: You guys will never solve this until you show the proof that inbreeding is the way to go. I would like to hear about the litters that you bred, what traits you were going to "lock" in? Did you "lock in any of these traits you were after? How many of the pups were worthy enough for you to feed? Did you see faults show up? How many of the pups did you see run after 1-2 years? Did these dogs live normal lives (how old)?
Did you get what you were after?
I would like to hear more of your first hand success with inbreeding. I also would like to hear the bad stories!
Good luck J

steve · Post by **steve** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:47 pm

I quess I need to restate this as I'm not out to prove my dogs are better then the next guys,and the fact is my program is still in it's infancy here.
But one thing is for sure it's a MYTH if anyone out there things you can't inbred.Inbreeding in it's self doesn't create 6 legged dogs or flying dogs or one eyed dogs that I know as every litter I produced didn't have this.
Now some may blame problems on the brace dogs for hurting some of the breed which it has but the inbreeding they did was to get the slow dogs and by that they where trying to get dogs that where smaller in the front or poor crooked fronts to help slow them down and if you look back I'll swear that lots crossed in basset hounds to get these messed up dogs.
The only way I see it is if poor dogs are used to inbreed with you will get poor results and that's not the dogs fault it's the guy making the choice that's at fault.I'm done with this subject unless someone wants to talk about different technics, but one thing is for sure if you decide to try this method of breeding the world will not come to and end and you will not get 4 headed dogs either.

smithbros.1 · Post by **smithbros.1** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:46 pm

Steve: I wasn't trying to be smart with you. I have ben reading your posts & thought you should bring more info to the table, instead of "its just ok to do it."
Just was wondering how your litters turned out & how many you have inbred?
My last post I asked you a few questions that would give us better info. But I never see anyone answer these questions.
Thanks J

SMITTY1233 · Post by **SMITTY1233** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:04 pm

I have a great suggestions before we title another post "Inbreeding" why don't we go to search type in Inbreeding and read all you want on this... We have been down this run at least five times now... It leads no where but name calling and bull crap.... The greatest thing is I feed my dogs and you feed yours.... As long as you aren't trying to impose on my breeding methods then I don't get to worked up over it.... Come on now we are all beaglers, we have differing views which is natrual but to come on here and see this stuff is crazy....

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