Puppy Mills Good or Bad

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:57 am

Exactly saddle-up.

New York Hillbilly · Post by **New York Hillbilly** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:05 am

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Alabama Swamper,
I also think we have either stumbled onto someone who thinks making money off of the misery of a bunch of hounds that will find there way ultimately to the pound, or a snotty little kid trying to get our dander up. Either way they should be spanked!!! You are right that for most people it is a losing or at best a break even proposition when it comes to keeping a pack of hounds. If we were in it for the money we would be quickly discouraged and get out. We do it for the love of running hounds and the enjoyment that brings to us, something money cannot buy. The only one that can make money as I said before (in my opinion) is to just pump out huge numbers of pups out of a well hyped line or off the name of someone else who put in all the hard work to establish the name and sell them as quickly as you can, or to stud a champion hound to every bitch that crosses the stoop of your front door. Whats wrong with making money? Nothing! What is wrong (again my opinion) is to add to the ever present problem of over crowded animal shelters when a person finds his "well bred" hound will not hunt or live up to the buyers expectations. The buyer in the end cuts his loses, but being unable or unwilling to kill the animal himself dumps it in the pound for someone else to do it for him. Think this scenario is far fethched? Call and ask your local shelter how many beagles they have sitting there at any one time, better yet go look at the beagle sitting there for yourself. Now ask yourself whats wrong with making money this way............or again...better yet ask the beagle that is sitting there!
NYH

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AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:13 am

Good post NYH.

I totally agree with ya on that one. If someone is making money, they ain't taking care of the pups they raise like they should. Culling them pot lickers is another topic and I won't comment on that but to many folks rely on the pound to do it for them in most cases.

windy hollow · Post by **windy hollow** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:42 pm

ok first of all if a beagler is going to breed and raise beagles for hunting most times he's not keeping all the pups and if he's got two or three intact females he's gonna wanna breed them. ok now when he does sell some of these pups he's got the best darn hunting hounds in the world. (in his mind!) the next guy is going to say I would've drowned every darn one. ok so who is going to stand up and say "you cant breed these dogs! wouldnt be fair, and how are ya gonna get new bloodlines? also where did all the champion lines start? (not from champion blood because god didnt run field trials) heres a for instance,FCVENN'S DUTCH CHARLIE K his sire was venns fast delivery dutch the dam lower hopewell blackie neither parents were champions but the CHARLIE K line is a very good bloodline.......no these breeders are not PUPPY MILLS......yes puppy mills are bad because they are breeding BEAGLES that are inferior to the standards that all you who care about your own BEAGLES are guaranteeing in your puppies.

blackdirt beagles · Post by **blackdirt beagles** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:01 pm

if your breeding to sell pups and not keep any yourself, i would call you a puppymill. i keep 2-3 pups out of each litter. no, they all dont turn out and i sell as i think is necessary, but if you are keeping and working with at least part of each litter, then i think thats ok. personally 2 or 3 litters is my limit per year, with 2 being ideal. if i was retired or wealthy enough not to work and live how i like, then im sure i would increase my litters per year, but i know what i can handle. thats the key: know your limits and be honest. some guys start out and have a great line and get too many requests for pups and just start breeding away. they just want to sell pups and then they lose their quality very quickly. i got a litter due any minute now (literally

)and i also have a 10 person list that wants pups. after i pick the 2 im keeping i might have 6 (at the most) available. the rest of the people on my list will either wait til late in 2004 sometime(maybe?) or buy elsewhere. pup im not gonna crank out pups to make other guys happy. i do it for me.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:48 pm

All I can say is that I will never buy from a puppy mill and I can smell one when I pull up in the driveway.

All puppy mills need to be burned to the ground and anybody that don't like that statement can come to Grant, AL and tell me to my face or atleast put a name on their post. Otherwise, laughing at you is all I can do for now.

As for my dogs, no, I don't claim to own any thousand dollar dogs but if I did, they would not be for sale. The one's I have are priceless and nobody can buy my good dogs and even my pups isn't for sale at this time.

XXX Guest 4 · Post by **XXX Guest 4** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:04 pm

GOOD NIGHT all you bitter beaglers!

Robert W. Mccoy Jr · Post by **Robert W. Mccoy Jr** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:21 pm

Not really sure why some people need to act like that.

I really never understood it.

I think as I have said before if your gonna insult someone you should at the very least have the nuts to place your name down and stand behind what you say.

Doing anything less is cowardly.

No matter what your opinions are.

I enjoy comming on here and taking to people like alabama and the others who really care about the sport.

Place some pic's of your self on the site. Try to get to know a few of the guys.

Bunnyseeker · Post by **Bunnyseeker** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:36 pm

I agree with all you said Robert!Those of us that know AlabamaSwamper, know that he is not a dog trader and doesn't run a puppy mill BUt he ALWAYS signs his post unlike our guest.Maybe our guest is afraid to sign his post or doesn't know how to log in.

windy hollow · Post by **windy hollow** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:28 pm

XXX Guest 4 wrote: I see that everybody has had a nice day today!

seems you should go to http://www.iwbeagles.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi and spread your hate & discontent. they want the whole hate !! thing.

daustin · Post by **daustin** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:37 pm

Man, I don't need my beagles here to smell a TROLL. Let's put this one to rest guys.

Dane

New York Hillbilly · Post by **New York Hillbilly** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:09 pm

Well what do we have here? Like I said before either a puppy mill owner or more likely a snotty little smart a$$ kid that hates his parents for making him keep the paper route when he wanted to quit because "It's toooo harrrrd!. We have had some good hearted rib jabbing, some heated arguments, some calling folks out to clear things up and been welcoming to all new comers that stumbled our ways. We have offered good advice, some bad advice, shared some laughs and supported each other when we have had a misfortune come our way. Hey what does that sound like? I will tell you if you haven't guessed.....FAMILY! It has been real nice to come together with each other even when we disagree just to get together. For the following reason I am now more than a little concerned with this GUEST who posts all the angry faces and spews such nasty venom. I am certain that he will continue as long as he gets a response from us because the behavior is all to familiar to me. As I have said in the past, my job in the mental health field has shown me just how sick the mind can become in a person and how strange, ugly and sometimes dangerous the resulting behaviors can be. This intrusion to this site is to me like getting a virus on your computer and while it may seem funny to the person who put it there, for all effected it causes nothing but hardship and bad feelings. If there is a way to block this intruder and his poison I hope someone will take the initiative and do it. If it is not possible to block this person then the next best thing to do is to ignore it totally and not add fuel to the fire. It is the best I can offer on the subject. Hang tight little family in we can ride it out. This has been a great place to hang out and spend time together so lets not let one mean spirited or maybe sick person spoil it for all. And now for our angry new guest or whatever it is you call yourself I'm sorry for whatever it was that happened to you to make you so angry, but if it rules your life so go seek some help. But if your behavior is meant to be funny let me be the first to tell you it is not.
Peace,
NYH

Phillip Smith · Post by **Phillip Smith** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:42 pm

Why respond to these post that don't have a name. They are nothing without a name. So why get so upset. They're nobody and their post means nothing. If people would just ingnore them then they wouldn't have any reason to post anymore.

XXX GUEST 4 · Post by **XXX GUEST 4** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:23 pm

This is XXX GUEST 4 I HAVE BEN THANKING ALL DAY ABOUT PUPPY MILLS I GEUSS THAT YOU MAY BE RIGHT

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:52 pm

So if I pay Top dollar for a male champion, stud it out in the south to anyone that wants to breed to it or where ever for 200.00 I am not a puppy mill ??????????????????????????? as regards to keeping a litter and thinning it out in the end as to whats not quality is wrong ?????? not letting the culls produce isn't that bettering the breed?????Or should a person send it to one of those big name studs for a breeding???Take care Dan.

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