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Fuzz wrote:I must fall into that simple minded class at the moment. I find it funny so many folks that don't compete in AKC whatsoever and say they could care less about AKC are so justiful concerned whenever AKC makes a ruling. Makes one wonder. Nevertheless I can't see this ruling affecting many AKC judges I know.
Could it be because you rarely leave the state of Kentucky? There are plenty of judges that judge both AKC/ARHA or AKC UKC. This policy will affect them in that they will feel a need to pick loyalties.
Chicken little the sky is falling! Run, run, run!
...and if AKC closed its doors tomorrow, I think your sky would fall in. Sorry, but your sour grapes attitude about anyone who questions AKC gives you away. I never see you jump to the defense of other registries and belittle the people who criticize them.
Fuzz wrote:You know there's an ole saying, "simple minds are amused easily." I must fall into that simple minded class at the moment. I find it funny so many folks that don't compete in AKC whatsoever and say they could care less about AKC are so justiful concerned whenever AKC makes a ruling. Makes one wonder. Nevertheless I can't see this ruling affecting many AKC judges I know. Most don't trial ARHA, UKC, or whatever other registries are out there. Fact of the matter, how the heck are they to tract this anyway. Do you honestly believe AKC is going to have representatives at other registries events checking? Or furthermore checking results in magazines and whatnot to see if some AKC judge judged it.
Chicken little the sky is falling! Run, run, run!
I don't know where you get the Run part. Because the AKC. picks a dog up for running to much Rabbit. You all so said that, people that don't compete in the AKC. complain. I won't nor do I want to compete in an AKC event. I'm just upset with the AKC. Because they think that there SH$T don't stink, and they do support non hunting groups, and they all so support Animal Activts groups.
The last I look the Constitution gave me the right to complain. And guess what when it comes to the AKC. I'm going to complain as much as I want.
Catfish:
The best music is a pack of hounds pounding a rabbit track
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Bev, you say I rarely leave the state of Kentucky... that's pretty darn funny seeing how my accolades range from Arkansas to New York and many points in between. Nevertheless as for there being plenty of judges whom judge both AKC and the others. That may or may not be true. If so honestly if I had to count those that may be that I've ran under, it'd barely amount to one hand's worth. Then again UKC and ARHA interests me not thus I do not keep up with what they do or much less who does what there either.
As for my sky falling in if AKC closed its doors. Sorry to burst your bubble, but as much as I like going to trials, I don't eat, crap, and breath trials. However one thing I can gaurantee you of though if AKC did end today, you wouldn't see me in ARHA nor UKC. Honestly after 13 years of trialing, I've grown rather tired of hearing all the bitching and complain and moreso all the crap stirrers trying to paint one registry better than the other. And you're indeed right you don't see me jumping to ARHA or UKC's defense when someone degrades them. Wonder why? Newsflash I'm not involved in ARHA nor UKC thus it's none of my business. Henceforth the reason why I ask if one has no stake in AKC then why complain so much about them? Make sense? Probably not.
Catfish the run part comes from numerous folks running to complain everytime AKC changes something. Indeed I may not agree with every single thing they do, but complaining on a forum 24/7 isn't going to change things. I guess some think if enough complain AKC will change their policies. Funny as I noted above been trialing AKC for 13 years and I've not seen them change much no matter how much complaining they see. It's either you play by their rules or you don't. In your case you admit that you don't and you won't. That's great you have your choices and others have theirs. Indeed the Constitution gives you a right to complain, but what it doesn't give people is sense to know when to quit when their crying doesn't solve something. Complaining every single day every single moment isn't going to change anything, but what do I know...
Good luck to all those that are complaining about AKC, when it solves something give a shout if I'm still alive. Until then carry on wayward souls, carry on... By the way Catfish, AKC doesn't pick up a dog for running too much rabbit. Ignorant judges do and last I checked ignorance wasn't reserved just for one person or moreso one registry. They all have faults and sorry tough guy but UKC and ARHA is not any better than AKC to me.
Jamie D. Rice FUZZ'S BEAGLES "I can do all things through Christ which strengthen me." - Philippians 4:13 KJV
Hey!!!!!!!!! Can't we all just get along? Aren't we all about bettering the breed? Don't we also have different ideas about what betters the breed? Chose you format and just go have fun!!! To h_ll with AKC's, ARHA's, PKC's, and UKC's rules. There's no monopoly here!!! If you don't like'm go some place else ORRRRRRRRR just don't compete. How about that idea?
jdmart, i believe it says where I'm from just below my name. I'm not hiding from anyone. But from what I've seen at UKC beagle field trails, (and I've been to few), I don't see any AKC judges, (and I've also been to a few of them). I don't know about ARHA judges, I'll have to take Bev's word. If they judge both I quess they'll just have to choose. Trails will happen no matter what.
Just run and have fun!!!
I'VE GOT SOME DOGS THAT ARE GONNA HURT SOME FEELINGS!!!!! I just hope it's not mine. Home of Wild Hare Kennels and FC Creek Woods Blue.
The AKC. can change there policies all they want. It still not going to change my mind on what they have done, and what they are doing now. I do wish you good luck, and GOD BLESS.
Catfish:
The best music is a pack of hounds pounding a rabbit track
R.ch Bad News Hunter
R.I.P. R.ch Haywood's come Back Kid
R.I.P Gr. R. Ch. Haywood's Precious Lady Garlick
I think I am missing the point on this, I just dont understand.
I can promise you guys if you worked for my company I wouldnt allow you to train, get experience, get licensed, insured and bonded through my company only to go moonlight for another company that competes against me. I wouldnt wont someone that is my employee promoting and helping the competition and I can assure my competition wont loan me their insured, bonded and licensed help for the need of promoting and expanding my business.
I dont see where AKC is any different than a Ford manager that wouldnt allow any other cars in the employee lot but Fords. Dont bite the hand that feeds you.
Well put WrongsideRandy! I can't agree anymore. I always thought you were cursed having "common sense". I think though that some people want to here that AKC is going down the tubes. SO WHAT!!!! I'll say it again, get over it and just go run dogs for the fun of it.
I'VE GOT SOME DOGS THAT ARE GONNA HURT SOME FEELINGS!!!!! I just hope it's not mine. Home of Wild Hare Kennels and FC Creek Woods Blue.
Good points and i agree on the most part with you Randy EXCEPT
The AKC does not pay you for your training in most instances, the only thing they do is put on the seminar! like the conformation judging They dont pay for any of your training as a matter of fact you have to PAY them to attend some of the training seminars they put on YOU PAY for your motel,airfare ,food,ect...YOU spend all the time getting the experience ect then they say OH BUY the way If you are gonna judge for us you CANNOT JUDGE for anyone else!!!!!!! Come on now how is that Fair? Just to become a conformation judge you have to Spend YEARS in the Breed you are applying for NOW who pays for that? do they help you out with the breeding or stud fees ect. As we all know judgin in trials dont pay Squat you still pay for your transportation Motels ect for the most part and you may recieve a pitance from the Club Does it cover what you SPENT not for the most part.THEN they turn around and tell ya you CANNOT judge for anybody but US
Come on how is that fair? How is it hurting the AKC to allow the judges in Conformation OR field to allow the person to judge in Other registrys?
the person is gaining experience are they not? and a more experienced judge is what you want is it not?
Now as far as i can see this will not effect the UKC field trials as they do not liscence judges in the H&H format but they sre in their Performance pack so if you judge a PP tril in UKC you could have your AKC lisence pulled Same with ARHA or NKC If you are a AKC bench judge you could not judge the UKC bench or get your liscence pulled.
I see it as a All or nuthin thing for AKC just trying to throw thier Muscle around. Next thing you know they will be requireing you to go to a HUSUS OR PETA meeting to keep your liscence.
IT JUST AINT RIGHT!!!!!!
JMHO
From Field to Show and Show to Field the way it should be
TC, you beat me to it. We do not work for any registry - they work for us... and therein lies the rub. They cannot exist without our dollars, not the other way around.
Anyone who spends one nickle to register their dog with AKC has a stake in them. Wasn't it either Battlefield or Cedar Creek Beagle Club in Stanford, Kentucky started having UKC Small Pack trials. and it was AKC judges who came forward and helped in their first trials?
Being able to "move about" freely in one's capacity as a beagler/judge/club officer/whatever, is one of the many things that keeps this sport alive. It's an important thing, and people don't like to be told how and where they can spend their recreational money and time. People don't want to be threatened about their hobby. There are too many other things on which they can spend their money.
As far as the "clarification" that it was intended for AKC employees proper, well, there's where I said many policies are written in an open-ended fashion so they can be reinterpreted, or clarified later - depending on the feedback they get. Not saying AKC did this at all... just saying it's done all the time.
Tim H,
Yes I'll always admit that I know you. I did not know you currently judge AKC events though. But are you a registered UKC judge? If I remember you are not unless you are now active in UKC's new PP format then you are. I believe this only affects you if you are a registered judge in another format. If you are registered in AKC and another format then I guess you have a choice to make. But I must also agree with someone else who made a point that AKC will have trouble policing this policy.
Bev,
I think Stanford's problem will be solved very soon if what I heard is correct. I heard UKC is dropping the SPO format since UKC's new PP is doing well hence no more help is needed from AKC judges.
I believe we won't be able to change AKC's mind about this just as we won't be able to change UKC's mind on returning the World back to the old format. I'm just going to make a choice based on what rules and regulations are before me and go with it and have fun. If AKC, ARHA, UKC, and/or any other format dies, so be it. I'll still run dogs, period. I've run dogs long before I ever trailed and I can go back to it just as easily. People, I'll suggest it one more time. Just go run dogs and have fun!
I'VE GOT SOME DOGS THAT ARE GONNA HURT SOME FEELINGS!!!!! I just hope it's not mine. Home of Wild Hare Kennels and FC Creek Woods Blue.
Chief Long Hair wrote:People, I'll suggest it one more time. Just go run dogs and have fun!
Sounds good to me. When do you wanna go? (lol) I've got a northern dog here I wanna put on some cottontails for the first time. I promise I'll only bring the one dog this time.
If the rule stands as written and it does truly affect LP, there will be several people that have to choose sides! According to what Todd Morgan is saying it will not affect UKC Hunting Beagle. Our club doesn't run UKC SPO anymore. But I know several good LP judges that judge AKC also. Would be a shame to loose them.
I think where Todd's coming from is that UKC field judges don't have to be licensed since it's a handler/vote type format. ARHA judges do have to be licensed, so it will most likely affect them.
"I think Stanford's problem will be solved very soon if what I heard is correct. I heard UKC is dropping the SPO format since UKC's new PP is doing well hence no more help is needed from AKC judges."
Oh really, UKC is dropping SPO? Wow can't believe that one!
We can still get along and run dogs for the fun of it!!
