No.. I said the young male puppy (tan/white) does have type. I can see that its a beagle without hesitation. Color doesn't even weigh into the factor. I was saying the older ones (all white) were the ones that if I didn't know this was a beagle board I would question. ;-) Seeing them in person I may feel different.. who knows but, I can only go by what pictures you sent.
You might look at mine and think.. "that thing couldn't make it to the fence post and back" however, you can see its a beagle by looking at it. Now I'm not talking ability to hunt, or show or anthing else here. Just what i see with my eye.
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Sorry I must've skipped the part of your post where you said it looks like a beagle at this age . Please post some pictures of your show beagles . I can't get much out of the breed standards I readWindkist wrote:Jude,
The tan/white puppy is nice. I can tell its a beagle by its type or at least at the age it is I can ;-) sometimes when you get into odd colors in a breed (all white) you will find some gene throwbacks that come with that color. The all white ones to me just don't have a beagle type head or body.
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Performance at the task should dictate what a beagle looks like, the rest becomes secondary overdone window dressing.
It's the unseen qualities that make a beagle a beagle first, the box we put it in draws it's shape from form following function.
The order of priorities is what's made the division between show & field.
For show beagles, the title of "Best of Show" is a misnomer, as it should read "Prettiest of Show", for if truely the best representative of breed, it would include being a top hunter also...
It's the unseen qualities that make a beagle a beagle first, the box we put it in draws it's shape from form following function.
The order of priorities is what's made the division between show & field.
For show beagles, the title of "Best of Show" is a misnomer, as it should read "Prettiest of Show", for if truely the best representative of breed, it would include being a top hunter also...
Performance and function is a direct result of a beagles "type" It does matter how they are built and constructed otherwise you could turn loose a mutt from the pound and if it hunted correctly it would be a beagle?? We have a written standard that describes our breed just like all other purebred dogs after that comes the Job they do.Performance at the task should dictate what a beagle looks like, the rest becomes secondary overdone window dressing.
It's the unseen qualities that make a beagle a beagle first, the box we put it in draws it's shape from form following function
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My only problem with this statement is that, in my opinion, and after many years of watching beagles in the field-the light beagle of Jude's (and yes that looks like a beagle to me), appears to be better apt to handle running day after day than most show dogs I've seen. "Type" should be a direct result of function-not vice versa. Look at the hunting packs in England, look at the original beagle of centuries ago-I would wager that they tend to resemble Jude's beagle more than any recent show beagle.Performance and function is a direct result of a beagles "type" It does matter how they are built and constructed otherwise you could turn loose a mutt from the pound and if it hunted correctly it would be a beagle??
I believe it's incredibly hard to argue what "type" of build is best for the field (and the breed) if there is virtually no knowledge of what a hound should be capable of in the field.
Not meaning to ruffle any feathers, but heck, this is a field beagle forum-I would imagine most folks here understand the value of proper build more than you realize. That's also why the field beagle looks different than the show beagle (for the most part)-they are bred for two different purposes-one for looks, one for performance.
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Congrats Honey Pot! you won the Smartest post of the day Award!!!!! You should be proud!Honey Pot Hounds wrote:Because it is a recessive and most usually includes yellow/light eyes and a dudley nose. I don't like chocolate in ANY breed. Just a personal "yuck" factor of mineoakhill wrote:Why is the choco or liver frowned upon???...but many show beaglers have finished chocolate beagles...probably because there was truly poor competition in the ring, or a goofy judge. JMHO.
For the record, the "Liver" color WAS allowed in England until some time in the late 60's or early 70's when some idiot English judge decided they didn't like the light colored eyes contributed with the color and moved to have the color added as a fault. A hounds eyes SHOULD match the hounds color. Color doesn't run a rabbit!
It is more likely (than your "goofy" scenario) that these shows where the Chocolate beagles won their CH were actually judged by judges that understood the function of the breed, understood that the chocolate color is a "true hound color" and these beagles were most likely the best built hound that day!
Don't squat with your spurs on!
You are probably right although I do care about function and I've had several of my beagles in hunting homes and allowed hunters to use my studs. While hunting isn't my hobby I do want my beagles to have the abilty to work if necessary. Form does follow function but, Form is important as it applies to how a dog uses himself. Take a look at these photos of hounds at a seminar. They are not only doing their job but, they also could easily have stepped into the show ring the next day ;-)APFII wrote:The problem with beagles is the same as the problem with politics .In politics we have extream right and extream left . In beagles we have all show and no interest in hunt and all hunt and no interest in form. If we could get closer to the middle we would be better off. Feed what suits you!
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I don't think anyone can tell from pictures that a hound "is doing it's job". So many traits and abilities come into play.They are not only doing their job but, they also could easily have stepped into the show ring the next day ;-)
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Ummm I was there ;-)Incahoots wrote:I don't think anyone can tell from pictures that a hound "is doing it's job". So many traits and abilities come into play.They are not only doing their job but, they also could easily have stepped into the show ring the next day ;-)
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I have to disagree with you in that APFII, I show and trial my dogs, in my experience I have noticed that many field breeders have some VERY nice dogs. Some would put some of the dogs in the show arena to shame! As for Show folks, guess what a lot of them are sliding down that slippery slope to trialing too... So looks to me like this division is slowly slipping away...APFII wrote:The problem with beagles is the same as the problem with politics .In politics we have extream right and extream left . In beagles we have all show and no interest in hunt and all hunt and no interest in form. If we could get closer to the middle we would be better off. Feed what suits you!
I sure am glad to see that some have realized that the body is a major factor to an athletes ability! Imagin a midge doing the high jump at the olymipics!
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Good a first hand perspective. What strenths and weaknesses did the dogs have that you watched? Any dogs that should have been picked up for faults, if so what faults?Windkist wrote:Ummm I was there ;-)Incahoots wrote:I don't think anyone can tell from pictures that a hound "is doing it's job". So many traits and abilities come into play.They are not only doing their job but, they also could easily have stepped into the show ring the next day ;-)
Leah
Our Dirty Pond Beagles "Heaven goes by favour. If it went by merit,
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
Thanks for asking.. I believe one of the dogs was doing a bit of backtracking and not staying in the check? I am not entirely up on the hunting terms but, do remember Billy and Mandy telling us in the group and pointing out some things. These dogs were on I think 2 rabbits during the time I was out with them. There was one in trouble all the time.. hmmm I can't remember his name although he was called enough you'd think I should ;-) The point I'm trying to make is this was an established pack they did what they were supposed to do and yes probably have some faults.. Don't we all but, they also, were conformationaly correct and pleasing to the eye. This seminar was held in Aldie Va at the NBC grounds. I'd love to come sometime for the triple Challenge ;-)
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