Question?

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:27 am

Ill just say I wasnt downing any format, I was cutting somebody deep for downing AKC.

mayhem78 · Post by **mayhem78** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:27 pm

I wish there was a format were you can just go out in a cast cut your dogs loose and watch and listen like you were runnin with your buddy's and just vote at the end of the hunt on which (rabbit dog) you thought was the best, i know most of the time in the back of my mind which dog is doing most of the work hunt, track work, etc. Then again not everyone is honest like that to admit there hound got beat.

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:59 pm

I will tell you this. AKC field champions are the real deal! I have seen some ARHA dogs that are champions and grands that should be shot. I have seen some dogs in ARHA not leave the handlers feet and win the cast. I also have seen a dog get a check, leave the pack and run around the side of a hill the dogs break down, and the dog that ran around the side of the hill, hit the check and get scored on it. It was a champion too. I also saw a dog tie for tenth place and the handler could not catch it and my buddies dog hunted great and handled great and gave the tenth to the dog they could not catch. The reason, the guy that recieved it was a club member. You don't see that in AKC! Also there are so many ARHA trials and grade dogs out there it is hurting our beagle stock. It is not hard to champion a dog out when there are 15 trials in the same state, on the same day. Ukc I have never been to. I have seen some UKC dogs run in AKC and they did pretty good. They seemed at time a little rough, but so do the dogs in AKC at times. A lot has to do with senting. Go AKC field champions.

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:07 pm

Also, a good way to settle this. Get a judge from each format(one with out a chip on there sholder), and get two of the Best field champions from each format, and have a run off. I won't solve that AKC dogs are worth more and there pups sell better but It will solve what people think about the style of the dogs. I will pray for the people running against the AKC field champions though. You better bring a fast dog that can run all day or just stay at home.

main event`s beagles · Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:37 pm

if you got the power come to the mid west and show it and do you proud. the main event

jlboomer · Post by **jlboomer** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:35 pm

Grade dogs are destroying the beagle heck there the ones that have saved it for years.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:13 pm

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:48 pm

huberts there is junk championing in all registries, not as a whole but they do slip through. I like all the different formated trials i have attended. I like some things with some and have problems with things in all of them. AKC, ARHA LP I have not seen much difference in the dogs. AKC will yank one out that is cutting and swinging which I like. ARHA I like the fact that everyone at least has an idea on what the dogs should be judged on. I dont like the fact in AKC your dogs can be picked up at anytime and you dont get an explanation for it. Any time there is the human element involved there will be descrepancies.

HoneyPot said it best judge them in the field for yourself.

Ky Scott · Post by **Ky Scott** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:43 pm

Danny Vansickle wrote

i guess i would be considered an arha guy but i think that akc promotes a better all around rabbit dog,one that can run the line and keep it going without a ton of breakdowns,plus they shoot a gun over the pack,how many arha champs are gunshy?????????????

Any body know of any PPRCH That are gunshy? If you do then I would like to know who certified them??????? I know no format is perfect but I doubt very seriously that there are many if any PPRCH that cant run a rabbit solo or are gun shy, and if there are it would be easy to find out who certified them because I'm sure it is on record!!!!

As far as other registries Ive ran in ARHA PP several times and enjoyed it a lot. The only other registry I have ran in is PKC 1 time and the last time because of a 10 second break down rule(10 SECOND EXCUSE).

I would like to try ukc and will sooner or later.

Would also love to try AKC, but have been told by several people that to do good you have to be really know and that there is a lot of buddy judging. Now dont climb my tree I'm just stating what ive been told and I plan on trying Midwest this year.

TOUCHSTONEBGLS · Post by **TOUCHSTONEBGLS** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:12 am

Hubertsoutlaw, I like your idea about having a challenge event. As far as selling better....that is just an opinion. Beau pups are typically sold before they are born with many disapointed individuals getting turned away. His next sired litter is due in Feb. and there are 9 on the list from quite a few states. There will always be a big demand from pups sired by truly great rabbit dogs bred to quallity females. Regardless of the registry. That's my opinion. Am curious about seeing some AKC champs run. Those I have run against were average hounds. The best may not compete in UKC. You would think that if they were strong jump dogs, ran on the line, worked a check well, and didn't run trash they would at least show up at our large events and take home all the TRACKERS, TRAINING COLLARS, DOG BOXES, MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTIONS, GEAR, .... Plus they would have their pictures on the magazine covers.... Just don't see it happening. Why? Maybe the dog power isn't all you make it out to be? As far as structure and function are concerned, if UKC dogs were permitted to enter the Triple challenge there would be very limited opportunity for AKC dogs. The AKC registered UKC competition dogs set it on fire last year. Some of the very best total dogs are not AKC registered. Does AKC promote structure in their hunting dogs? Do they even hold bench shows?

TC · Post by TC » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:50 am

Does AKC promote structure in their hunting dogs? Do they even hold bench shows?

YES DAN Some Do
United Beagle Gundog Federation UBGF Hold Conformation Highly and hold bench Shows at thier trials...
AND the AKC trials are not all like you have heard..
There are SOME very Good Judges out there that Dont Give a rip WHOS dog it is They aint Judging The handler Just the Dog.........
I Run All the registrys Except PKC
I have Dogs that I Run in ARHA LP ARHA PP AKC Midwest AKC Ubgf and UKC H&H and of all these the ones that i have gotten treated the Worst At Were UKC!!! SLICk Handlers And Crooked Guides I Really like the UKC format and Will continue to Go BUT will not Go on a Cast With Certain People Will Scratch My Dog First!!!! Same with AKC there are Certain judges that I WILL not enter a Dog under I will say that I have not had that Problem In ARHA YET
All in all I Enjoy All trials I have met Some Wonderful people at the trials and thats what keeps me Going back....
Dan you need to Enter a AKC trial find out for yourself!!! Thats what we did!!!!
The bigest thing Is to LEARN the rules and if you See a PROBLEM Bring it up We are not gonna stop the problems by Complaining about them on a board... If you dont like the way a Person judges and you think they Violated the Rules then Bring it up to the Field trial Commitee Or the master of hounds Remember though it is like the Show ring a lot of times it is just the Judges Opinion if you Dont like it then Dont Show Or Trial under that judge again.....Get your Judges licence judge Some trials Yourself the only Way your Gonna change it is to be Active in it............

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:18 am

TC wrote:
Does AKC promote structure in their hunting dogs? Do they even hold bench shows?
YES DAN Some Do
United Beagle Gundog Federation UBGF Hold Conformation Highly and hold bench Shows at thier trials...
AND the AKC trials are not all like you have heard..
There are SOME very Good Judges out there that Dont Give a rip WHOS dog it is They aint Judging The handler Just the Dog.........
I Run All the registrys Except PKC
I have Dogs that I Run in ARHA LP ARHA PP AKC Midwest AKC Ubgf and UKC H&H and of all these the ones that i have gotten treated the Worst At Were UKC!!! SLICk Handlers And Crooked Guides I Really like the UKC format and Will continue to Go BUT will not Go on a Cast With Certain People Will Scratch My Dog First!!!! Same with AKC there are Certain judges that I WILL not enter a Dog under I will say that I have not had that Problem In ARHA YET
All in all I Enjoy All trials I have met Some Wonderful people at the trials and thats what keeps me Going back....
Dan you need to Enter a AKC trial find out for yourself!!! Thats what we did!!!!
The bigest thing Is to LEARN the rules and if you See a PROBLEM Bring it up We are not gonna stop the problems by Complaining about them on a board... If you dont like the way a Person judges and you think they Violated the Rules then Bring it up to the Field trial Commitee Or the master of hounds Remember though it is like the Show ring a lot of times it is just the Judges Opinion if you Dont like it then Dont Show Or Trial under that judge again.....Get your Judges licence judge Some trials Yourself the only Way your Gonna change it is to be Active in it............

Well said TC. The UKC has a good format but Slick handlers are disapearing around here. I learned where to go and where not to go. I do know a good AKC judge will pick a hound apart,put a hound on the ground it better be clean.

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:00 pm

I wanted this post to be about promoting different formats. As usual, I got sucked right in bashing other formats. Well one format. I am very proud to run in AKC events as well as running true registered dogs. I'M SORRY ABOUT GETTING SO EMOTIONAL! I have a passion for running dogs and found a format that to me is almost perfect. I guess i have a weird way of wanting to tell people about the AKC. I've done my best to try to promote a great program, that great beagles belong to. Also, the people are not usually mean in AKC like they are in ARHA. They have some real cut throats. There I go again. Well, Go AKC dogs! If you want to be the best you have got to beat the best. So thats why you need to run in AKC. UNTIL YOU HAVE A AKC FIELD CHAMPION, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE RUNNING A GRADE DOG, OR WHAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO CALL SH*T EATERS. JEREMY

Lynn Perkins · Post by **Lynn Perkins** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:17 pm

hubertsoutlaw wrote:I wanted this post to be about promoting different formats. As usual, I got sucked right in bashing other formats. Well one format. I am very proud to run in AKC events as well as running true registered dogs. I'M SORRY ABOUT GETTING SO EMOTIONAL! I have a passion for running dogs and found a format that to me is almost perfect. I guess i have a weird way of wanting to tell people about the AKC. I've done my best to try to promote a great program, that great beagles belong to. Also, the people are not usually mean in AKC like they are in ARHA. They have some real cut throats. There I go again. Well, Go AKC dogs! If you want to be the best you have got to beat the best. So thats why you need to run in AKC. UNTIL YOU HAVE A AKC FIELD CHAMPION, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE RUNNING A GRADE DOG, OR WHAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO CALL SH*T EATERS. JEREMY

Jeremy has anyone told you yet how ignorant you are starting to sound,if not i am!
I been reading this post since the start,kinda seeing what others opinions are,agree with alot of them and REALLY dont give a rat's AZZ to what anyone runs in but come on man just because you starting to place a few hounds anyone that dont run their dogs in AKC are feeding sh*teaters.Tell ya what anytime you feel the urge come test some of mine out or a few dogs from some of my friends,just wondering if my sh*teaters can hang with an AKC dog.
Politics has/can kill a format,whether AKC/NKC/UKC,have i ever ran in AKC nope would i like it don't know but for you to say because some don't, we feed sh*teaters,all i have to say is you better be carrying enough dog to back it up.

Almost Perfect-comeon really???

Jamie Rice · Post by **Jamie Rice** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:32 pm

Jeremy... Man you just opened up a can of worms. Guy you owe a lot of people an apology after that last statement. Some of us that do trial AKC have been doing it a long time and still have yet to finish a dog. To say just because someone hasn't finished a dog in AKC their dog's aren't worth a crap is truly stupid! You've yet to finish a dog as well, so are you saying your dogs are sh!teaters as well?

I trial AKC and prefer it, but I'll be one of the first to tell you there's a few crap crunchers in AKC as well. There's good and bad in all registries and formats.

The title doesn't make the dog, the dog makes the title!