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Jude,
Yes, Rambo is 14 7/8"
He has been measured 13 times. Never measured out. He has 25 1st's and those 13 were when he came back to the winners pack! The measuring was in PP, in LP he didn't look tall.
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Yes, Rambo is 14 7/8"
He has been measured 13 times. Never measured out. He has 25 1st's and those 13 were when he came back to the winners pack! The measuring was in PP, in LP he didn't look tall.
LPB
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He's a pretty hound , you should be proud of himLone Pine Beagles wrote:Jude,
Yes, Rambo is 14 7/8"
He has been measured 13 times. Never measured out. He has 25 1st's and those 13 were when he came back to the winners pack! The measuring was in PP, in LP he didn't look tall.
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I do not trial but I couldnt help but ask this question. How many dogs that were measured at the world hunt and were over the size limit have been in trials and have placed in a trial? It just doesnt click, if they are over at the world hunt, wouldnt they be over at a local club hunt? Just asking, Tom
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LITTLE PACK DOES NOT MEASURE DOGS AT HUNTS UNLESS A HANDLER FEALS ONE IS OVER AND ASKS FOR A MEASUREMENT,SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER DOclousewt wrote:I do not trial but I couldnt help but ask this question. How many dogs that were measured at the world hunt and were over the size limit have been in trials and have placed in a trial? It just doesnt click, if they are over at the world hunt, wouldnt they be over at a local club hunt? Just asking, Tom
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BIG AL wrote:What some are trying to say they will not question a dog's height at a hunt because they are afraid of re-percussions.
YA HIT IT ON THE HEAD,IF YA MEASURE ONE OUT,THEN YOU HAVE TO WORRY IF THAT GUY OR HIS BUDDY JUDGES YOU LATER,THE OTHER REASON IS IF A 1/2 INCH BEATS MY DOG,WELL THEN I GUESS I CAME UP A 1/2 IN SHORT,I SAY BRING EM ON,IT IS THE LIL ONES THAT SCARE ME,THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WOOP YA,CAUSE IN LP ,MOST PEOPLE TRY TO RUN BIG HOUNDS,SO WHEN A GUY WALKS UP WITH A 13 IN DOG,I KNOW IT MUST BE TOUGH OR WHY ELSE WOULD HE BE RUNNING IT?
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i belive it has already been brought up about a dog babbling or cutting n swinging, fighting, sniffing n trying to ride every dog in the cast. should that be overlooked too why would ya overlook a oversize dog n not these other things is it really lack of balls im really curious jb
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JUST AS JOHN SEES IT
JUST AS JOHN SEES ITI personally don't see why size should even matter, but I might have a few suggestions on how to balance the measuring process so that it is fair to everyone.
First, the measuring stands that I have seen are primitive. Second, standing a dog on anything less than a level surface is a joke. And third, you absolutly cannot expect every dog to relax to a natural stance in thirty seconds. Here are my suggestions, anyone involved in trials is more than welcome to take em and run with them.
(1) The measuring stand should be made with a swinging arm that once the dog is positioned swing over and sets on the dogs withers. The height would be set at 15" or 13" which ever was needed for that dog. The bar should not weigh more that 8 oz. as to not put load on the dogs withers. When the bar settles at the desired height a contact would be made and a 12 v light would come on. The M.O.H. or inspector would declare the light on and the dog would be in.
(2) The surface has to be consistent for every measuring. A box so should be built that is also part of the measuring stand. On top of this box would be a rim positioned in a way that when every dog was put on their front feet would be in the same position every time. Leave plenty of room for the back feet to accomedate longer dogs, but the front would be against the bar positioned squarly under the dog.
(3) The handler should have time to set the dog. Give them 3 minutes to set the dog and declare the dog ready for measure. Once the arm is set on the dogs back the handler cannot touch the dog in any way other than by holding the leash. Once the arm touches the dogs back the M.O.H or head of the breed committee starts a watch. The dog has a total of so many minutes to relax and measure in. If the dog moves, the watch is stopped, the dog reset, and time resumes.
These are, in a nutshell, the guidelines that my dad and a few other men came up with for measuring trottingbred ponies back in the 60's. 40 some years later the same system is being used and has weathered many a storm over wanting to change the height limit. Now its not perfect. I have seen many ponies measure in that would stand 55" tall, (the limit is 51 1/2" at the withers) but when the light comes on that pony is standing at 51 1/2" and is in. No one can argue with or against the measurement. Human interference is not part of the results. I can get my hands on a complete rules of measuring if someone is interested. Oh and by the way, if you are thinking this would take to much time, on a typical Saturday they will measure 30 ponies before the races begin and in the spring when every one has to measure they will measure 100 before 9 a.m. Here is the real kicker. Once a pony (dog) is measured in, its in for the year but still subject to protest, in which case the protester lays down $25 and the pony (dog) has to measure again. Once measured in 3 years in a row they are in for life but can still be protested for $100.
First, the measuring stands that I have seen are primitive. Second, standing a dog on anything less than a level surface is a joke. And third, you absolutly cannot expect every dog to relax to a natural stance in thirty seconds. Here are my suggestions, anyone involved in trials is more than welcome to take em and run with them.
(1) The measuring stand should be made with a swinging arm that once the dog is positioned swing over and sets on the dogs withers. The height would be set at 15" or 13" which ever was needed for that dog. The bar should not weigh more that 8 oz. as to not put load on the dogs withers. When the bar settles at the desired height a contact would be made and a 12 v light would come on. The M.O.H. or inspector would declare the light on and the dog would be in.
(2) The surface has to be consistent for every measuring. A box so should be built that is also part of the measuring stand. On top of this box would be a rim positioned in a way that when every dog was put on their front feet would be in the same position every time. Leave plenty of room for the back feet to accomedate longer dogs, but the front would be against the bar positioned squarly under the dog.
(3) The handler should have time to set the dog. Give them 3 minutes to set the dog and declare the dog ready for measure. Once the arm is set on the dogs back the handler cannot touch the dog in any way other than by holding the leash. Once the arm touches the dogs back the M.O.H or head of the breed committee starts a watch. The dog has a total of so many minutes to relax and measure in. If the dog moves, the watch is stopped, the dog reset, and time resumes.
These are, in a nutshell, the guidelines that my dad and a few other men came up with for measuring trottingbred ponies back in the 60's. 40 some years later the same system is being used and has weathered many a storm over wanting to change the height limit. Now its not perfect. I have seen many ponies measure in that would stand 55" tall, (the limit is 51 1/2" at the withers) but when the light comes on that pony is standing at 51 1/2" and is in. No one can argue with or against the measurement. Human interference is not part of the results. I can get my hands on a complete rules of measuring if someone is interested. Oh and by the way, if you are thinking this would take to much time, on a typical Saturday they will measure 30 ponies before the races begin and in the spring when every one has to measure they will measure 100 before 9 a.m. Here is the real kicker. Once a pony (dog) is measured in, its in for the year but still subject to protest, in which case the protester lays down $25 and the pony (dog) has to measure again. Once measured in 3 years in a row they are in for life but can still be protested for $100.