Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

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Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by Casey Harner » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:13 am

I believe the only reason is due to the fancy bag they put it in. Smh
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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by warddog » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:39 am

The last batch of the "pride" dog food I bought came in a brand new redesigned eye grabbing bag. The guy I bought it from said I was the first to get a quantity of this newly designed bag. I will admit it is eye catching BUT the food inside is exactly the same and my price was exactly the same as what I have paid for it for quite some time. I know folks are going to rant and rave about the difference in dog foods as far as stool, digestability of corn vs. Victor or any others so-called PREMIUM grain free dry dog food. Folks have many OPINIONS on all this but coming from a background of food inspection in the USDA and regulating the meat/ poultry industry as well as what they do with the products from the manufacturing process that is NOT fit for human food, I regulated those items as well because they were shipped from those manufacturing facilities to rendering facilities. These items can only be shipped out of these plants if they are denatured or under seal. The regulation of meat and poultry comes under the strict scientific guidelines and not opinion. What one would or would not eat has no bearing on the fitness for human consumption and that has nothing to do with what goes into pet food as EVERYTHING not fit for human consumption is fit for pet food! As I have stated many, many times there is very little difference other than species of meat as well as bone meal used in dry dog foods. What there are differences in is what is used as the BINDERS and the cost factors associated with them. This is also the same in the making of hot dogs as they ALL have some kind of binder in them. I like to get the best bang for my buck and rely on what I know from the science and not opinion. I hear it all the time that corn isn't digestable for dogs and it causes looser and more stool which may be true but so minimal it matters not in the bang for the buck comparison. This high priced Victor feed has GRAIN SORGHUM at the top of it's ingredient list which is as corn a grain. Advertising VICTOR as a PREMIUM corn free dog food sure grabs consumers eyes just like the NEW bag for Victor as well as the Pride. Difference is the Pride has not gone up in price although they sport a brand new eye catching bag! I do believe in feeding my dogs a nutricous feed but not any more than is required to keep, them in good health. The ONLY regulation or means of acceptance isn't a regulation but rather a STANDARD established by a group of industry experts called AAFCO. They have established the nutritional requirments needed for dog growth and maintenance. In other words they need nothing more and every bag of dry dog food, regardless of the brand, I have ever purchased clearly states that brand meets the AAFCO standards and has the nutritional anaylsis on each bag.

I know folks will bla, bla, bla this so I am attaching a scientific study, not opinion on why I say what I do. The link is at jn.nutrition.org/content/132/6/1704S.full. In the meat and poultry industry if a manufacturer doesn't have a claim they make, backed up by written peer reviewed or scientific documentation that claim is rendered invalid. YES, I concede that trhere is a very minimal difference in different grains in dog food manufacturer but they do not support a double or better in price per pound of dry dog food. I also do NOT promote one dry food over another as I have fed about all of them at one time or another but what I do look for is the bang for my buck for tools used in a hobby and not for a living. I also understand that there are numerous situations as some folks work their dogs much, much more than others as well as living in extreme conditions AND opinions make money for manufacturers just as those eye popping new bags grab the eye. I suspect the cost of a newly designed bag cost maybe a penny per bag to recoup so I doubt that is the reason for that big of a price increase as the brand I am feeding didn't raise a red cent. AGAIN this is my opinion on matters other than the study and that is proven via scientific perameters.

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by S.R.Patch » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:57 pm

Ken, Ernie told me it's a $1 per fancy bag. It kills me to throw 40 dollars away with every pallet!

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by warddog » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:33 pm

I bought the first pallet he sold of this new bag and my cost was Identical to what I paid the last time in Winslow and the first time at Ernie's. Of course he knows I travel quite a distance to continue to buy from him. I wish I had the facility to buy a larger quantity from him and sell it up this way as I can but this feed cheaper than the coon hunter guys I know up this way are buying damaged bag stuff for. I've sold dog food before and there just is not much to be made on it and the only reason I did it was because I was feeding several.

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by tom summers » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:37 pm

Vitors new bags show what percentage of it comes from meat.
24/20 - 79%
30/20 - 83%
In regards to thr grain issue indid some research on grain in dog feed and the guy that help develop Purina Pro Plan wrote that corn gives a energy level that sustains longer than rice. Feeding raw is good but you have to feed higher quantities due to the amount of water in the feed and you have to weigh in the cost of storing it fridg/freeze. Everyone has thier own preferences, i just prefer dry food and Victor is doing my hounds well.

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by warddog » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:40 am

"In regards to the grain issue I did some research on grain in dog feed and the guy that help develop Purina Pro Plan wrote that corn gives a energy level that sustains longer than rice. Feeding raw is good but you have to feed higher quantities"

There are actual scientific studies done on both the affects of grain, rice and Sorghum on dog nutrition as well as the differences in feeding commercial dog foods over HOME prepared foods. The link I posted above is on the grain issue but it seems to NOT open up when I tried to copy and past it. This Journal of Nutrition has this study in it's archives as well as the one on the commercial feed verses the home prepared feed nutritional comparisons which proves there is little difference in commercial dog food verses home prepared dog food other than the commercial may be a little BETTER in providing some vitamins and minerals that home prepared dog food may lack. Both of these actual scientific studies can be found in the Journal of Nutrition's archives going to the year 2002 and scrolling down to the Waltham International Symposium. They are right together and put the science to the test over the opinion. If someone is interested and can't fine the studies I think I have electronic copies that I could PM to them.

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by hard on a check » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:31 pm

I bought two bags of 30/20 yesterday, it went up one dollar per bag from 36.50 to 37.50.

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by S.R.Patch » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:19 am

Fuel cost are down, grain prices are down, dogfood prices going up. I guess like most things today, if you sell less, you have to increase price to maintain profit margins. It's the last hope before deflation.
As Ken said, the packaging is eye-candy for those few precious dollars you have to spend.
Like the beef and pork sell-off, the marketers didn't pass the surplus off at reduced prices, they froze and stored it back to sell at market gains when the gloat passed.
Speculators can either rip us a new one or smooth out the waves. Quick money is made off volatility, they just have to make sure you don't kill the cash-cow in the process...lol

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by big w beagles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:05 am

How many pounds per bag?

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by BB Beagles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:44 pm

Throwing my 2 cents in. First, feed what ya like.
-Next, about Purina guy who wrote corn gives more energy level than rice.
When corn is absorbed and enters the blood stream it spikes your blood sugar. Kinda like when your hungry and eat a snickers, you'll feel lil better. Some dog food brands partially get some of their protein intake that you see on bag from the corn.
- Victor does not use just "grain sorghum" as "war dog"said. They use a sorghum Millet mix. Which doesn't spike blood sugar or affect their protein levels that's stated on bag. Also by them using sorghum millet mix, that's one of the reason their feed is Gluten Free. I'm not getting into a corn discussion, but taking corn out of feed eliminates a lot of negatives.
- Last, yes their price did increase just a lil. Reason behind it is, they wanted more durable bag for the process of shipping. To cut down on cost of lost feed due to rip/tore/punctured bags etc... They could've got bags they wanted, BUT it would've been through company over seas. The CEO of Victor said NO, because they want there product to be fully AMERICAN MADE.
Being the American made company cost a lil more, the increase of feed went up a lil.

The bags are more durable, but I see nothing glamorous about them. No fancy portrait, just more durable bag that just says Victor on it. So, war dog, your pride may have got a make over and not went up, that's fine. At least I know why the brand I feed did.
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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by tom summers » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:51 am

BB, you are correct about the spike in sugar levels due to corn. What i said was the corn gives more sustained energy than rice. I absolutely agree that Victor is a superior food to most brands. I feed it and will continue to do so as well as reccomend it my hounds do very well on it as well as feeding less. In regards to corn the animal feed industry as well as consumers are finding that corn has more adverse effects that it does good this is why we are seeing the switch to gluten/grain free feed. Like everything else when a new & improved product comes out we all end up paying more for it until enough suppliers of similar products become available.

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by warddog » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:24 am

I would love to read some science behind the claim of the sugar spike of corn verses sorghum and or millet. They are ALL cereal grains that contain starch and carbs which turn to sugar. Corn may have a little more but I suspect it is negligible. The only reason any such grains are used in dog foods is as an extender or binder. There is very little difference in sorghum and millet except that millet has numerous varieties with some of better nutritional values than others thus the need for MIXED. I also do NOT care what one feeds their pets although I spent a career trying to assure what they fed their family was clean, wholesome and not adulterated. my intent is only to inform consumers of the deception, myths and misconceptions purported on consumers. What I do know for a FACT is ALL that did not get onto our families table went into pet foods from the rendering companies and when put into dry dog food is no longer meat of any sort but rather meal of the same consistency as grains that have also been cooked at high temperatures and broken down. They can then be analyzed for nutritional value from that point and compared to what is actually needed for dogs health throughout their life. That is the AAFCO standards established by a group of industry specialist, not any of us. I do not or have not recommended one brand over another as I have fed and will feed the best bang for my buck minus ALL the hype on a specific brand. I have fed the same brans for the past several years not because I think it is the best but because the price has stayed EXACTLY the same for those years and that is why I switched to it to begin with. If one has the opinion that one brand is way better than another to the point of spending at least double the price then I say GREAT but I am a realist and should probably be from Missouri as I have to be shown. I also learned in the many court cases I was involved in with the food industry over my career that if one does NOT have it in writing backed by scientific testing protocols it is rendered as opinion and not factual evidence. That also goes for subject matter experts without such as I have seen their experiences differ drastically from another experts. I do not intend to argue good, bad, best, better but merely try to make the case to consumers of dry dog food that the science behind them does NOT support ALL the Rhetoric in the industry sales pitches. AGAIN, I say there are studies as I have cited above where specific testing protocols have been put to dog food and those are what I base my choices on. Of course, it is also tested by the individual dogs themselves as that varies from individual to individual just as nutrition does for people.

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by steve w » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:24 pm

Just talked to my supplier and he said 1.50 no more than 2.00 dollar a bag increase is coming, but not here yet. I to will continue feed Victor because I just have not found a feed that I can give to 6 dogs of all different ages that they seem to do so well on.I base this Opinion on the condition of the dogs and not any science or hype.

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Post by warddog » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:40 am

steve w wrote:Just talked to my supplier and he said 1.50 no more than 2.00 dollar a bag increase is coming, but not here yet. I to will continue feed Victor because I just have not found a feed that I can give to 6 dogs of all different ages that they seem to do so well on.I base this Opinion on the condition of the dogs and not any science or hype.
And that is the way it should be as dogs are a lot like people some love and do well on one food while others hate and do poorly eating it. I seem to do well on $9.99 per pound Porterhouse steaks but can't afford them very often and although I do not like $1.89 per pound pork steaks as I LOVE porterhouse steaks, I seem to maintain myself on them and not lose much weight or energy! I would love to become a vegetarian but I see lettuce is $1.99 per head so I don't eat much of it either and cauliflower was pretty pricey last I looked as well! LOL

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Re: Victor just made a leap in price in my area.

Post by S.R.Patch » Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:41 pm

You poke lots of holes with your fork and put the Italian dressing over them pork steaks, let marinade over night and put on the grill the next day. Melt in you mouth good! Any left over, dice up and make pork cacidia's the next day...yum yum!

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