What's your definition of a "Brood" female??

[mybeagles]

Maybe Im getting soft as I get older but I feel guilty leaving any dogs at home so I don't keep very many.....Cant ever contemplate the idea of having a brood female that lives in the whelping kennel and never gets to hunt. Not convinced people are making much money selling beagle pups but I am convinced people are flooding the beagle world with poor quality pups.

[likeemfast]

I've had good ones that didn't produce their likeness and the fair ones that produced well, we all know how that works, at least some do. My only point is go to the search engine and type in "brood" (I have not) but I will bet 20 plus pages of mostly culls will come up. I can't remember ever seeing a ad for a hound advertised that read, not a great hound in her own right but man does she throw good ones. As I said before they are not usually for sale, and when they are their actual abilities are spoken of before anything is ever mentioned as a reproducer. Which leads me back to probably 20plus pages of culls for sale with ridiculous price tags and the hounds are NOT proven at all.
I would much rather see the ad say

3yr old well bred female for sale, out of Haunted Hill Sniper, Moneysunk Mountain Ground, Green Bay Hooters and Brankos CatchaNova. I paid $350 for her as a 8 week old pup. I embarrassed to say I ain't never had her off the chain, I bought her cuz she's outta some great hounds and thought I gotta get me some. Then my wife told me it's her or the dogs and I'm afraid of her so I ain't never touched the dog since, cept to feed her. The wife left me now and I think I want a squirrel dog so I'm trying to unload this female. I am asking $800 cuz of the dogs she's outta but for all I know she won't produce squat. If you call and are interested I will probably let her go a lot cheaper but some sucker might pay $800 cuz he thinks she will produce like her ancestry and hey, who am I to argue with someone who can't wait to gimme $800 bucks on a gamble. So as I said she's for sale, on sale, heck ..... just make a offer and she's yours. Since she has no proven abilities and i don't know what else to do with her I'm gonna sell her as a "Brood Female".

That's how most of these ads should read cuz that's what is being sold 95% of the time. JMO

[mybeagles]

Bruce,

And I thought I was getting jaded as I aged.....

[likeemfast]

Bruce,

And I thought I was getting jaded as I aged.....

Me???? Dave, what would give you that impression???

[warddog]

Couldn't that very same type of ad go for ANY beagle puppy sold for $250-$400. EVERYONE is a gamble that they will turn out even as good as their ancestry let alone better. Genes is genes and how they line up is a crap shoot. Line breeding is a little advantage as it merely puts the CHANCES of good traits of their ancestry lining up BUT when going outside of that then the crap shoot starts all over again. I agree with likeemfast that $800 for a brood bitch is not something I would gamble on NOR would I be wanting to pay these hundreds on a pup with the very same gamble. Heck I've seen them for $400 on the boards which could be just as much a cull as the brood female it came from, regardless of the genes of the IFC sire. I read one person on here make the statement of where has the $150.00 pups gone and I would have to agree as I see NONE sold with a guarantee to make a rabbit dog much less an average one. If a brood bitch came with a guarantee to produce quality rabbit dogs then I'd say maybe if it were in writing but we all pay 250-350 for puppies with the very same gamble of being a cull.

[sparky]

no one is forcing anyone else to pay it. If you don't like it, then simply ignore it.

[likeemfast]

Couldn't that very same type of ad go for ANY beagle puppy sold for $250-$400. EVERYONE is a gamble that they will turn out even as good as their ancestry let alone better. Genes is genes and how they line up is a crap shoot.

I agree 100pct with you, but i would much rather take my chances on pups from 2 hounds that perform in the field. Like you Warddog ive also seen posts on here that read, "watch both parents run in the field and grandparents if possible then make your decision" and "watch pups run if its a repeat cross". Dont ever remember seeing someone say, "well neither parents are worth a crap but both gots good blood, how many pups ya want"? Oh yeah, and "their $400 a piece". I'd rather take my $400 to the casino and put it on red or black, at least i stand a 50/50 chance of doubling what i put out.

I read one person on here make the statement of where has the $150.00 pups gone and I would have to agree as I see NONE sold with a guarantee to make a rabbit dog much less an average one. If a brood bitch came with a guarantee to produce quality rabbit dogs then I'd say maybe if it were in writing but we all pay 250-350 for puppies with the very same gamble of being a cull.

Also agree, but Milk is almost $4 a gallon, prices go up, feed and shots are not what they were priced at 5-10 years ago so it has to be passed on. With that said, my last litter of pups, males sold for $175 and females $200, guess i have to raise my prices.

Warddog, Sunday Dec 4th 2016, write it down, we agreed on something.

no one is forcing anyone else to pay it. If you don't like it, then simply ignore it.

As the saying goes, I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bulls butt but i'd rather take the butchers word for it. Analogy: Everyones entitled to buy their meat how they see fit, if i find a reputable butcher (beagler) i will tell every and all buyers, but if i smell spoiled meat im also entitled to advise the meat buying public.

Cant ever contemplate the idea of having a brood female that lives in the whelping kennel and never gets to hunt. Not convinced people are making much money selling beagle pups but I am convinced people are flooding the beagle world with poor quality pups.

Amen to that!

[warddog]

Warddog, Sunday Dec 4th 2016, write it down, we agreed on something.
Documented in red on my calendar. Now if I can just remember what that Big red heart is on Dec. 4, 21016!

[CASKEY'S KENNEL]

Brood bitch is a good blooded female . That they prolly paided good money for that wouldn't start on a rabbit . Should have been culled . A cull is a cull no matter the blood or how much money you paided for it . I might gamble on some breedings . But I can assure you they hunt hard and can " Solo" circle a rabbit some better than others . But they are rabbit dogs .

[Pine Lakes]

I've had good ones that didn't produce their likeness and the fair ones that produced well, we all know how that works, at least some do. My only point is go to the search engine and type in "brood" (I have not) but I will bet 20 plus pages of mostly culls will come up. I can't remember ever seeing a ad for a hound advertised that read, not a great hound in her own right but man does she throw good ones. As I said before they are not usually for sale, and when they are their actual abilities are spoken of before anything is ever mentioned as a reproducer. Which leads me back to probably 20plus pages of culls for sale with ridiculous price tags and the hounds are NOT proven at all.
I would much rather see the ad say

3yr old well bred female for sale, out of Haunted Hill Sniper, Moneysunk Mountain Ground, Green Bay Hooters and Brankos CatchaNova. I paid $350 for her as a 8 week old pup. I embarrassed to say I ain't never had her off the chain, I bought her cuz she's outta some great hounds and thought I gotta get me some. Then my wife told me it's her or the dogs and I'm afraid of her so I ain't never touched the dog since, cept to feed her. The wife left me now and I think I want a squirrel dog so I'm trying to unload this female. I am asking $800 cuz of the dogs she's outta but for all I know she won't produce squat. If you call and are interested I will probably let her go a lot cheaper but some sucker might pay $800 cuz he thinks she will produce like her ancestry and hey, who am I to argue with someone who can't wait to gimme $800 bucks on a gamble. So as I said she's for sale, on sale, heck ..... just make a offer and she's yours. Since she has no proven abilities and i don't know what else to do with her I'm gonna sell her as a "Brood Female".

That's how most of these ads should read cuz that's what is being sold 95% of the time. JMO

I think I'm going to call you on this one. Can you give me an example of a brood female that can't run a rabbit for sale on this board for $800 or is this just an over exaggeration on your part ? I think it's just as funny when the prices for pups skyrocket because both parents had field trialing success and it's not a proven cross. Even the repeat of a successful cross has no guarantee to produce with the same level of success. I don't own the crystal ball to tell anyone what or how to breed. I can tell you if you think the money asked for any dog is unreasonable then don't pay it. Being humble and honest are excellent qualities to have in life, and they are certainly characteristics that will help any of us own better hounds. Again, if a man/woman feels that a certain cross will work, then by all means try it, but any and all crosses should have a level of skepticism involved. We as individuals are responsible for what we buy, breed, and run. Not some random individual trying to make a buck off of a beagle that isn't worth the drive to get it.

[likeemfast]

Pine Lakes
You are absolutely welcome to call me out.
Obviously there is some exaggeration on my part but only to a extent. Some have said, if I remember correctly, when she last ran a rabbit it was with med-fast speed but hasn't been run in 3 years, and that's all it said about its field running abilities. Another one or two said absolutely nothing at all, just pedigree posted and listed for that number I mentioned. I remember reading brood female ads anywhere from $75-$1500.

Has nothing to do with if I don't like the price don't pay it, I'm good with what I got, not looking, just watching.

I also agree with you on the pup prices being too high. If someone is willing to pay it, why not, right? Some guys do it for the love of the game and some guys do it for the almighty dollar, and best part is we get to pick who we want to deal with. What a country!

[bluemouse]

I am nothing more than a old country boy, but a brood female is nothing more than a vessel to bring forth the next litter, breed what you want but never expect more than what you breed. Never expect to pay more than you can afford and never except the word from a dog jocky. Look for a good kennel breeder and take your chances at a fair price,

[mybeagles]

Beagle pups are by far the cheapest pups out there. How many other registered breeds sell their pups for under $400? I'm not saying I want to pay more, but I hear so many people complain about the price of beagle pups being a rip off.

In my opinion, if you do your homework and buy pups from a quality breeder most of the pups turn out real good. It does require a considerable investment of your time that first year. Pretty direct correlation between the amount of time invested and the dogs ability. There is a reason the same guys always have good dogs....time.

The average Beagler wants to pay $100 for a pup, leave it in the kennel for 6 months, take to the woods and expect it to start the first rabbit it smells. Dump it in with 3-4 pack mates much older a couple weeks later and expect it to fight for the front, hunt hard, and have good line control.

If it lacks any of those traits; the breeder made a bad cross and charged me too much; all crosses are a crap shoot anyway
I realize very few dogs are superstars but I think there are even fewer superstar beaglers/handlers. Truth be told many of the "culls" would be decent rabbit dogs if they were raised and trained differently. Good luck to those hoping to invest less and get more. Just an observation....

[Newt]

Beagle pups are by far the cheapest pups out there. How many other registered breeds sell their pups for under $400? I'm not saying I want to pay more, but I hear so many people complain about the price of beagle pups being a rip off.

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I think the difference is "pet" vs "utility". If I pay $400.00 for a pet cocker spaniel, I'm pretty sure I'm getting a pet. If I pay $400.00 for a beagle out of a "brood bitch" I'm confident that I'm getting a pet, not sure about its field ability whether its hunting or trialing.
$400.00 for a pet when you are looking for a hunting dog is pretty expensive in my opinion. If you pay $200. and have to repeat that four of five times plus the trips, feed, and vaccinations it adds up quickly also.
I did that many times. Now I'll take my chances by breeding my best bitch to a local dog and enjoy the chase.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

Excellent post mybeagles !!