Need a class for oversize dogs?

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by TRK » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:51 am

I knew a guy over 20 years ago that had a dog that would measure anywhere from fifteen to fifteen and a quarter. He took the dog to Michigan and got him officially measured at fourteen and a quarter. The dog was very successful in the midwest and became a field champion. The dog was borderline but no way fourteen and a quarter.

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by main event`s beagles » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:03 am

you here people talk about bettering the breed. do you think breeding dogs that isn't within the standard ok?

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by mybeagles » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:56 am

John,

Large Pack may be the worst offenders but when AKC Rep showed up at the Mid-West run off there were numerous violators. Not including the guys that scratched or didn't enter their dogs because they knew in advance AKC would be there.

Judges certainly carry some of the blame but I point the finger at the seasoned field trailers with 20+ years in the game saturating the field with oversize dogs every weekend. The "I didn't know" excuse is only good for a newbie. Other guys are doing it has never been a good excuse in any aspect of life.
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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by S.R.Patch » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:42 pm

main event`s beagles wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:03 am
you here people talk about bettering the breed. do you think breeding dogs that isn't within the standard ok?
People breed dogs not within the standard every day and I'm not only talking about only the physical standard. The physical is easily seen but the neglect of hunting attributes and the way a hound is to cooperate, search and run a rabbit until accounted for is much more detrimental to the breed than a too short ear or an inch in height imho.
Purest eventually come to realize some trade-off are made and necessary to keep quality up to snuff as the perfect beagle has not yet been born...

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by main event`s beagles » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:03 pm

S.R.Patch wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:42 pm
main event`s beagles wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:03 am
you here people talk about bettering the breed. do you think breeding dogs that isn't within the standard ok?
People breed dogs not within the standard every day and I'm not only talking about only the physical standard. The physical is easily seen but the neglect of hunting attributes and the way a hound is to cooperate, search and run a rabbit until accounted for is much more detrimental to the breed than a too short ear or an inch in height imho.
Purest eventually come to realize some trade-off are made and necessary to keep quality up to snuff as the perfect beagle has not yet been born...
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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by Hare Chaser » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:24 pm

Money is what talks. If AKC was that concerned about the breed standard as a whole no beagle would ever be officially registered until it was 2 yrs. old and had been measured by an official representative from AKC. Can you imagine the loss of revenue for them as well as the expense in sending reps.into the field to do official measuring of all male beagles prior to registration? Never will happen!

if you like competing in field trials breed for dogs that are likely to produce what measures in. Pretty simple really. There's a heck of a lot of other things more imprtant than height to be considered in breeding a top quality hunting beagle.

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by Bowguy » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:05 am

Sounds to me like there a lot of oversized dogs where you guys run and you think that’s ok??
A breed standard is a breed standard. Requirements are requirements. To run in a trial you need to meet the requirements.
1- The dog must be a beagle
2-the dog must be registered
3- the dog can’t be fixed
4-the dog must be of the correct size for the class
It’s pretty simple, breed for a standard. Some hounds just don’t turn out, it’s that simple.
Judges need to measure dogs the right size. The rule book has notes to judges, we must as a judge conform as well.
It’s not our field trial. It’s the AKCs.
If we wasn’t to run oversized dogs, start a new registry instead of complaining about one already in existence.
It’s not every dog gets a trophy or gets to compete even. Changing things because we don’t fit is a dangerous slope. I don’t think we need to change anything

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by Bowguy » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:06 am

Excuse me meant to say want to run oversized dogs

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by S.R.Patch » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:13 pm

My buddy Jim Campbell always talked about the Pa. hare hounds and liked them very much. They were bigger hounds so maybe something could get started bringing folks together that also liked bigger hounds. I always said, if I lived in hare country and with the snow they have, I'd breed off the English standard of 16". I like the big hounds in snow. jmho

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by BMBeagles » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:02 pm

Plenty of 13 & 15 in. Beagles running hare here in PA !

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Re: Need a class for oversize dogs?

Post by TRK » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:36 pm

The Pennsylvania hare hounds he is referring to is a blood line that must have originated in Pa. They are extremely big beagles. I don't know much about them but Ihave seen a couple of them. The ones I saw were black and white with no brown on them, and tall. A couple of guys that had them told me some of them are over 16". I think they were not AKC registered. They referred to them as "Pennsylvania hare hounds".

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