The American Beagler Forum

Just thot I would make a post and let people express on here instead of calling me about it, guys I dont control this board Bev and Stony does.
Tell her and him what you have been calling and telling me.
I will agree with you all , when this board was first brought up we had some good times on here.
And the humor of the guest post was the best part about it.
I dont want to see it get to where people ask questions like they do on other boards.
But I will support whatever they decide.
I just gave my opinion , now you guys give yours, good or bad.

take it back the way it was. this is getting boring. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Swing,
You asked for opinion so I will give it and please recieve it in the respectful manner I intend it. The idea that Bev has changed "HER" board (something we have finally established as true) for reasons that appear to be well thought out and for the good of the site seems to bring closure to the subject in my mind. The idea that there are now numbers of "people" calling you venting their true "feelings" about the change seems a bit mutiny like and dare I say "GUEST" like as they hide their identity while they whine to you. You are in a precarious position because for some reason if this is true, you seem to be the "go to guy" and it makes me curious why they would think you should be in that position. Be careful!! I know I would not want to be the spokesman for anyone but myself. If these people are registered and take issue with the change perhaps you should tell them to post their concerns rather than squeek in the dark to you as you make it appear, at least to me. I think humor, wisdom and good story telling can all continue on this site as it always has as long as I've been around here. The only thing that has been stopped from what I can see is the same thing you say is going on to you now, which is people saying things they are afraid to say with their name attached. You say you will support whatever Bev decides to do with "her" site. Well!! A good way to start is by telling your disgruntled callers to suck it up and move on or to go fight there own battles. See how many will!
NYH

Swing,
You'll have to excuse the poor turn-out of responce for your question. Most tell me the gates are locked and they can't get to the polls to vote...
Hopefully the vote in Iraq will be more free...Patch

Guess so.
Sure dont get the responces on here that I get on my phone!!!!!!!!!!!
Here are my alias's
Wilmafingerdo
Todd Brown
Tommy Tuberville
Stone Cold
Jeff Taylor
lonewolf.
And I will apologize to lonewolf for using his name, but I was trying to help him see how he was making himself look on here. Sorry Wolf
and I am sure there were more but thats the ones I can think of.
Life doesnt have to be politically correct, but I did use to have alot of fun on here.

You know this whole thing is so funny. I took an evening and looked at lot of these beagle boards and web sites and mostly the talkers are all the same people. I don't think some have a life, their life is trying to control things on beagle boards and make them all the same. A group of web buddies, that are control freaks.

On another note, the well thought out reasoning that was given for changing the requirement to log in was, trouble on another board, that was feared would spill over here while Bev was away.
Well, nothing has happened here and Bev is back now, so the continued lock down seems unwarranted and detracts from the originality of the board.

Humor, wisdom & good story telling was around long before there was this great need for control, but if problems arose, we always righted ourselves and carried on.

Today, due to all this "absolute necessity for control" this site is no different than any of the others and now it seems ironic there are so many, when to merge them into one seems more sensible. After all, as of late, they all seem to be the same people...

Well, now that I've had my say, I'll put this keyboard away and wish you all the best...
May we meet in the field on a happier note, the music of the hounds ...Patch

I guess its in my nature to fuss and fight . I have alot of friends and we ride each other from the time we get together til' we part. We have alot of fun doing it! I assumed that was what was going on here with the whole guest thing. Maybe poor judgement on my part? I have a good time whereever I am at, and everyone knows who I am. I am not a self proclaimed victim, and will try my best to never be. As for the politics of this board . Let up, take a breath and think, everything is still "free". Its free to sign in, its free to post, its free to reply, its free to advertise, and its still free to whine. I am going to buried upside down so all these victims can kiss my ---!

You know Swing, it seems to be YOU are the one most affected by this all. Maybe it was ALL you that were making all those obnoxious posts under guest. Now that you have to be legitimate, it takes your "fun" away.

But I will support whatever they decide

Well, to me the decision was made. Now support it and quit making waves.

Emery

I ALSO LIKED SOME OF THE "guest " POST & THINK A LOT OF THEM WAS IN JESTING. IT DON'T BOTHER ME TO SIGN IN EITHER. SO LET BEV RUN HER BOARD AS SHE SEES FIT. IF I GET TIRED OF LOOKING, I'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUNNYBUSTER

I aint heard no final decision as of yet.

Maybe it was ALL you that were making all those obnoxious posts under guest.
I dont think I am going to take all the credit where credit isnt do.

MHOP..Censorship,Dictatorship,Locked threads by TAB when others want a say,scared to voice an honest opinion in fear of being ban if someone uses their real name and handle,so guest is a way to be vocal in hopes of remaining part of the groupies?Opinion that this board is not a public board or board where beaglers can have an honest opinion without suffering the threats and punishment of the board admistrators.The TAB,board,magazine etc. is a people/beagler business and the more you give them the more you gain,financially and popularity..and when one or a minority control,everyone loses,and everyone is constantly being told,this is a private board,i pay for it,i control it and i will do as i so desire,when in fact,the supporters/beaglers and advertisers of the board and magazine,pay the bills.MHOP,my 2 cents and u can keep the change.

Emery,
I must say that I have wondered the same thing as this seems to continue. What is all this "I'm being controlled stuff about?" It sounds like a bunch of militia members for goodness sake crying about how oppressed they are at the hands of some Evil Empire. What a joke!

S.R. Patch,
Patch said.."I took an evening and looked at lot of these beagle boards and web sites and mostly the talkers are all the same people. I don't think some have a life, their life is trying to control things on beagle boards and make them all the same. A group of web buddies, that are control freaks" You are absoultely correct about many of the same people being on other sites. I see them there all the time when I visit those other sites also. I guess its like when you go hunting and hit different spots to see whats there. I myself mostly post on this site and Hunting Boards site because I like the people and topics.I have driven many miles to meet and run with many of these people and found them to be as good natured and fun as they are on-line. I have on very rare occassion posted on Better Beagling and just recently UKC. I must say however that with 548 posts to your credit you certainly must have spent more than one evening behind that keyboard. I am afraid though my time here goes in spurts because of my work schedule, weather (won't hunt anymore if under 10 degrees....not fun for me), kids college schedules and as hard to believe as it is SCHOOL for ME at my old age. I have taken on the daunting task of working on my Masters in nursing and if you notice I have been "POST_LESS " for months at a time and then lots of them when schools out. I guess I'm not one of the ones without a life! Chin up Patch....I'll be back in school in a few days and will be buried in term papers and office hours which should make things less agitating to you. But never fear I shall return at any moment just to keep things lively and honest!

Swing,
I can't help but think you have some good qualities because you like blue dogs.....but I do think you need to put down the sword and persecution complex and enjoy life and this site more. I think if you ever came running with me you would have a blast and see I am not a "kill joy"! Why it is fun for someone to say stuff (many times nasty) and hide, is a concept I don't understand. To me it is SICK! I just don't get it! Don't let the new policy chase you away, after 962 posts! WOW!! I still need reminding from time to time how good your hounds are.....so I don't get to high on mine!
Peace,
NYH.......P.S. School starts Monday for me so take heart.

I don't think some have a life, their life is trying to control things on beagle boards and make them all the same. A group of web buddies, that are control freaks.

Patch, isn't that is essence what you and swing and a couple of others are trying to do? Control this beagle board? I didn't take any of your control away, I didn't take anyone's control away. You can posts and discuss all you want. I simply refused to give anonymous, unregistered guests control of the board. Control Freaks...the only way I see those two words making sense is I started controlling this board a little more and you freaked. If I were afraid of criticism, open discussion, and disagreement, this thread wouldn't exist, and a bunch others where I'm personally attacked wouldn't exist.

The wording at the top of this page has not changed since the board was put up. "and above all, civil, so we may be proud to recommend the site to new Beaglers - young and maybe not so young!"
Now, what you and a few others might consider fun and good humor, which is allowing guests to post derrogatory, hurtful, and downright vulgar posts at times is NOT fun for many others. Those being attacked by these spineless fools would tell you that you are having fun at their expense. That's real nice. Let's get to the truth of the matter here. What some of you are calling a breech in freedom of expression is merely contempt because you can't sit back and laugh anymore while someone else gets raked over the coals or humiliated by "guests".

Opinion that this board is not a public board or board where beaglers can have an honest opinion without suffering the threats and punishment of the board admistrators.

Point out to me where that has happened. To make such a blanket statement seems foolish to me seeing how we are having a difference of opinion, expressing honest opinions right here on this thread and no one's being threatened with banning.

..and when one or a minority control,everyone loses,and everyone is constantly being told,this is a private board,i pay for it,i control it and i will do as i so desire,when in fact,the supporters/beaglers and advertisers of the board and magazine,pay the bills.MHOP,my 2 cents and u can keep the change.

Thank you. May I use your two cents to pay Yahoo when the bill comes due? I have no outside advertising on this board - never have. The only advertising that goes on here is a ton of people advertising on the trading post...free of charge. It's a service I'm happy to offer to the beaglers to try and save them time, travel and money wasted. So you think it's more fair that I pay the bill and give the masses control?

Somebody has to control it, maintain it, moderate it. Shall I give everyone the pass codes to the admin panel and let you all delete, edit, remove and add forums at will? You can also take the phone calls at 10 pm from someone who can't remember his password and wants to post. Take the calls on Easter Sunday, too while you're at it. Fact is, most of you don't really know what's involved running a message board of this size and activity. All you know is what pops up on your screen when you log on. How and why it happens, what goes on behind the scenes, is a big unknown to you, because when you sign off and go visit another board, it's no sweat off your backs.

Bosshog, you're gonna hate this but, since this comes out of my pocket and MY PRIVATE TIME, I will control it. I will do the same with the magazine. It has my name on it. Yes, subscribers and advertisers pay for it, and I try my best to make sure they get their money's worth. But if 3 of those advertisers wanted me to run an ad for HSUS, I'd tell them to take their ad elsewhere. If 100 people threatened to stop taking the magazine because I include a line of scripture in each issue, then I will be 100 subscribers lighter. There's a difference between being open-minded and selling out.

In every single aspect of our lives, we are managed, controlled, and censored. No matter who you are, there is somebody over you. I can't believe some of you just can't live in your own skin knowing somebody who owns a beagle message board has ultimate control over it. You say I'm blocking your freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is a relative term and in the purest sense, doesn't really exist in all genres of communication. Bob Huffman went on some jank about Trade and Commerce Commission, and those who advertise intrastate are subject to freedom of speech laws and some other CRAP. Ask NBC, ABC, or CBS if they can broadcast freely and without censorship. There's plenty of advertising on those networks....

Bev,wrong,i don't hate anything you may have to say,it is only an opinion same as everyone elses and myself like everyone else,have many other boards in case they want to roam.But,my opinion again,this board is an important part of TAB magazine and helps to draw in more subscribers?Kind of a necessity and a drawing card expected by the readers of TAB.You pay the bill but from the same bank account as you pay for expenses of TAB,which in turn,this board is a tax write off as advertisement?Run it, control it,do with it,the way you so desire,but i had to reply to your response towards me,also i think,everyone should have to use their full given name,e-mail addrees with password,their SSN,Divers License number,phone number,physical address,age with picture,sex preferrances,married or not and if so,do you play around.I like to know all about a person prior to having anything to do with them and don't think anyone should be able to use a handle. That way we could respond respectfully to that person and know to whom we were addressing..I was always taught to be respectful to guest and treat them as you would want to be treated,now i am told we can't have guest,me being a virgin to this board,guess the guest on this board is an unwelcome animal and we need to eliminate all guest and paint them all as trouble makers,unwanted,unwelcome and unneeded.Thank you all for helping me to understand and rethink my thinking of what a guest really is,next time a guest comes to my home i am going to lock the children and wife away and bolt all the doors and stand guard with my double barrel.I come here to chew bubble gum and kick butt and i am all out of bubble gum.No pun intended.Well i just spent my change from my 2 cents worth.

Well doggone,it looks like that all the complaining that was going on on this board just a while back about stopping Guests from being allowed to post is now being reversed by some of the same folks.I guess you just can't please some folks at all no matter what you do.

If you used to have fun on this board but are no longer doing so....well guess what......it's noone's fault but yours....your using the same keyboard now as you were then so quit bitching about every little thing and go back to having fun.Don't blame it on the board or the administrator...it's YOUR fault.

This board like all the rest is just what you as a user makes it,if you have to sign in under Guests to have fun then you were probably the only one having fun anyway.You should be proud to sign under your handle or your real name.

Have you ever tried to talk with the LORD using an anonomous name????Wonder what he thought about that?????

I also run a message board and do not allow Guest to post..they can read all they want but not post.Why? Simply because if a post contains material that is not allowed by the host of my board and is posted by a guest there is nothing I can do about it but delete the post.I can't stop the guest from reposting because I don't have an IP number.I have never banned anyone from my board but I will if I have to to protect YOUR right to use the board.

Bev, I am sorry if I have added to the negative side of this thread but sometimes I just have to blow steam.It is also sad to have to read of an administrator of a message board having to make post defending their decissions of making that board a better place for the folks that it was intended for to start with.You have my support in whatever decissions you deam neccessary to make it a better place.You and I may be the only ones using it but I will sure keep dropping in.LOL.