back tracking

boomarang · Post by **boomarang** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:45 pm

I have a 11 month old pup that has just started and she is back tracking I have jumped rabbits and put her on them she still back tracks them any suggestions thanks in advance boomarang

gus · Post by **gus** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:16 pm

I've seen several pups that when first started, will go the wrong way after meeting an obstacle or run to a hard check. Some will, after a loss trail, the line back to you. Give the pups some time. It will gain some confidence and probably figure it out.

LaMarr Rhoades · Post by **LaMarr Rhoades** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:39 pm

shock him when you know for curtain hes doing it

WSRandy · Post by **WSRandy** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:35 pm

If you're able to stay up with her try using a switch and a stiff yell of NO while turning her in the correct direction. This worked for me. My dog would only backtrack when hung up in a long check, he would get impatient and take off the wrong way. Remember she is smelling rabbit, she just dont know which way to go.....the last thing you want to do is make her fear rabbit scent.

Best of luck,
Randy

mybeagles · Post by **mybeagles** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:07 am

This dog will cause you grief the rest of its life. Do yourself and the dog a favor and put it out of its misery. True Back tracking dogs get worse with age, Ive seen 8 or 10. None of them ever got it right......The other option is to get on this board under "Trading Post" and offer this hound for sale as lightly started!

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:12 am

After having followed all kind of tracking hounds for over 40 years, I somewhat agree with Mybeagles on general viewpoint on back tracking. But, your female is young and not set in her ways and could possibly be corrected. Don't allow her to backtrack, a switch and some gentle correction may help. She could possibly out grow it.

Catfish · Post by **Catfish** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:41 am

that's not always true. i just got a dog this past summer that was 18 months old. and he had a back tracking problem. and it was really bad, and i was able to get him to stop back tracking in two weeks of hard work. by shocking him at low settings. and yelling at him after i knew that he was back tracking, letting him go wright now would be a big mastake. for one thing he is still a pup he's not an old dog, also remeber that if we can break dogs from running off game you can break a young dog from back tracking. work with the pup, and give him a chance.

Catfish

mybeagles · Post by **mybeagles** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:02 pm

Wow, no wonder we have so many mixed up dogs out there. Dogs like this will eventually be bred and create more backtrackers. Would really like to see more beaglers with enough responsibility to the breed to destroy these faulty dogs. These same owners will show up to a trial, enter one of these dogs, and then go away irate when their dog gets picked up for backtracking thinking they broke them of this!

Incahoots · Post by **Incahoots** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:00 pm

lol it's a pup if you destroy every pup that does something wrong with no attempt to correct it you should not handle them cause you don't know how to. My guess is you don't spend alot of time in the field or put alot of hours into a dog though you will say you do, I'm sure.

WSRandy · Post by **WSRandy** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:12 pm

Incahoots wrote:lol it's a pup if you destroy every pup that does something wrong with no attempt to correct it you should not handle them cause you don't know how to. My guess is you don't spend alot of time in the field or put alot of hours into a dog though you will say you do, I'm sure.

AMEN!

Buckeye Bob · Post by **Buckeye Bob** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:06 pm

If your pup is merely running the wrong direction on a line that has not already been run in my opinion it can be corrected with more exposure.According to your discription this is what is happening.If it is in fact running a line that has already been run... that is backtracking and unacceptable.I agree with the others that harsh measures have to be taken to cure her of this,I would run the risk of punishing her for running rabbit scent over having a backtracker.Just my opinion but known backtrackers are culls and no other outstanding qualities it may possess can redeem it.

bunnyjumper · Post by **bunnyjumper** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:52 pm

Some people crack me up! This dog is still very young. If you work with your dog you can correct this. I'd like to see a young dog that is just perfect in everyway and needs no training. The people that would tell you to get rid of it at that age are the same ones that trade dogs like cars. Never willing to spend any time, just searching for one that someone else has put all the work in. Give your dog some time and then make your decision. One of the most enjoyable parts of beagling is raising and training your dog, its not always easy, but when your dog is finally running those rabbits well, theres a great feeling of accomplishment and you can say you did it yourself!

mybeagles · Post by **mybeagles** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:58 pm

I spend 30+ hours a week in the woods with my dogs. If you want my phone number you can confirm that with my wife, she will tell you all about it.

Crossecting a line and going a short distance the wrong way is one thing, running the rabbit to the hole, turning around and running it back to the jump is completely another. This guy has a pup that backtracks a holed rabbit which is a dog without any brains. All the shocking in the world wont solve this. Some things can be fixed with a shocker, some cant. The way a dog runs is one of the cants.

Why is it so difficult to admit there are faults that are unpardonable? I never thought I would hear guys jump on the bandwagon to defend a true backtracker. Good luck!

Incahoots · Post by **Incahoots** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:45 pm

Wow, no wonder we have so many mixed up dogs out there. Dogs like this will eventually be bred and create more backtrackers. Would really like to see more beaglers with enough responsibility to the breed to destroy these faulty dogs.

You said his pup is a true backtracker then.... Now you are back peddling and saying only true back trackers should be culled. How do you derive from the original post that the pup is one? Since you recommend he cull it. You don't know how long it has been started among many other details. He got some good advice on how to try and handle it why not give it a shot before culling it? That would be too reasonable I'm guessin.

Hatfield · Post by **Hatfield** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:51 pm

In bad scenting conditions the back tracking will show itself again. If the pup is just starting give it sometime.If it continues after some form of corrections if it does't stop.You will live in a relationship of distrust with this hound. Do yourself a favor and let it go.