coyote attacks on beagles while running

[D.Gross]

I'm new to this site. Have been running beagles for 50 odd years.Live in NW Indiana. My hunting buddy had two young dogs run a deer in Dec. on local FWA . Dogs were gone over night and got one back the following evening. He had 6 tooth holes across his back. The other dog we assume became "dinner." :cry Since that time have heard of 3 other occurances.
One breeder in MI was running a pack of 5 dogs and witnessed a coyote take the back dog of pack while they were running a hare. They shot coyote. Next day saw 2 coyotes attack two dogs at same time, were lucky enough to be close again and shot them both. Talked to another owner in Indiana who had a dog grabbed while running a rabbit in tall weed field. She got away.
Can anyone shed any light on subject?
I incorrectly always felt when dogs started to tonge the coyotes would leave the area. Obviously I was wrong!
We are going to war in Feb., and try and thin them down before we lose all our dogs or they attack the townspeople! Not funny!!
Thanks, D.Gross[/u][/b]

[Alabama John]

D.Gross, I had one eaten after she made it back to my coat I had left for her. She ran off on a deer and I left about midnight.
I have other friends that have had dogs attacked and they all were bitten from the rear first. Wild dogs are even worse.
Get rid of them.

[New York Hillbilly]

Here in upstate N.Y. the coyote have become ever bolder over the years. There are those who would laugh at me for saying this but we had no coyotes till they introduced turkeys to our area. I have always spent more time in the woods than the average bear in these parts and can tell you it is a fact. Or a real weird coincidence!! I used to get in trouble for skipping school to go hunt or fish. I even had a teacher one time say I had excellent grades for a kid who's school year didn't start till after deer season. But as I said, when I first started hearing turkeys in the woods and seeing their tracks along with them came coyote tracks. I had no idea what these new critters were in my woodlot until I finally eye balled them. The turkeys were a welcome addition but I was nervous about the "brush wolves". These things were much bigger than what I had seen in magazines. They resembeled wolves more that coyotes. The wildlife people explained to me that it was because they were actually a hybrid. They were a cross of wolf and coyote as they crossed pathes through the Great Lakes region.on their trip east. Lucky me!!!! I have since seen them kill fawns in the spring as they systematicaly cover our back fields. I have had two beagles killed by them back in the early 90's. And have had them come in on my hounds on other occassions causing close calls as the hounds turn tail and run back to me as quick as they can. I have even had farmers call me at home to tell me they have had a coyote chase farm the dogs right through the yard in attempt to get them.The link to the turkeys is not so clear to me other than they are good at catching them to eat. Both a friend of mine and myself have had coyotes sneak up on us in the spring as we were calling to turkeys. That is spooky to look up and see a big coyote stalking you. It is a good way to make you suck a mouth call into your wind pipe! The turkeys here do not need lots of calling to become call shy. They are already quiet because the noisy ones all get eaten. The turkeys in this area sit quietly inthe tree tops and look around the ground before flying down because the coyotes figure out quick where the roost trees are and hide there in the AM and wait. I have seen them do it and the woods are often littered with the feathers of a turkey who could not keep his beak zipped! Some guys have bells on their collars and it seems to work in keeping them away from the hounds to some degree. Others have taken to running a big fighter type dog with the hounds in case there is trouble. I am just carefull where I hunt now and I shoot every one that crosses my property I see. And I encourage some fellas I know that actually hunt them with big hounds to frequent my land as often as possible. They are here to stay and we have to deal with it.I believe it is a sad fact that if there was a nuclear war tomorrow the only thing able to survive would be the cock roach and the Coyote!!

Safe running,
NYH

[cooper]

Hey D. Gross are you related to any Gross's in the New castle/ knightstown area? Just curious! Thanks Tom Gross

[D.Gross]

Hey Cooper, no I have no relations in Knightstown orNew Castle. I live in Hobart,IN

[ACOMEAU]

Lost two pups last fall on a deer chase for two days. At 4pm the second day, a hunter shot a coyote chasing them, from his deer stand. Most generally we run into problems as the winter drags on into Jan/Feb. If we have a lot of snow like we do now, it makes it just as hard for the coyotes to move for food. So when it does crust up or thaw a bit, they will take anything they can catch. They are not scared of a barking dog unless they have been run before. Take a coyote dog like a walker or plott into an new area where coyotes have not been run and they won't run when they hear an approaching dog thats touging. It can sometimes turn into a who's caught who situation. Pack in a few dogs and the coyote will learn quick to run. If a meteor hits the earth and ends life as we know it, the coyote will survive.

[D.Gross]

NY hillbillie- I don't know about the connection between coyotes and turkeys. We've had coyotes long before turkeys. I feel that in our area tere are just so many more now than in years past. I feel the lack of trapping has a great effect on their numbers. An ex-student of mine trapped two locations using snares last year. One was a local golf course and a small woods next to it and one other farm. He took 167!!!!!!!!!! We have had a number os small dogs in the area taken out of back yards and off porches. A real problem. Thanks for the info.

[Bev]

The coyote is one of the rare forms of wildlife that only has one natural predator - the wolf. Ask the guys in the U.P. what happened when they brought the wolves in. All states need to put a bounty on coyote and do it quick. It will take a coyote to snatch a 3-year-old out of a back yard before anyone sits up and listens. It's nothing to see a 60-70 pounder right here in the city limits of Indpls.

[Guest]

we just had two of our best dogs attacked while rabbit hunting this pass weekend... they got hit from behind and cut up preety bad, but they both either got away or they fought them off till jerry got up to them and seen the coyotes running off, he thought that they got our katie dog because she was not with them when he got to them but heard her running a rabbit a little bit after the attack... all i can say is in season or out, everyone needs to kill them off, they are getting to brave to hit a pack of dogs in the daytime with hunters around them... don

[Bopeye]

Anyone that wants to learn how to hunt the coyote. There is a site called predatormasters.com. These boys know how to get the job done.

My coyote hunting partner and I have gotten called several times by guys that have had their coon hounds ran out of the woods by coyotes. They are rough little buggers.

Ya'll are right. The coyote will never go away, but we can do our part to make sure they have a healthy respect for humans and to thin down their population some.

[REBEL]

MY OPINION==It is the fox pens that is a big fasctor in the spread of coyotes.Fox pens are now stocked with coyotes for the fox hunters to run their dogs cause the coyotes run faster and better,so i am told.The coyotes are trapped and shipped into states that have a low population of coyotes.I once dealt with a trapper in Tx that shipped coyotes to every state that had fox pens,at the time i was buying ringtail cats from this trapper to sell to the exotic animal people and i know this was not an isolated case and that many other trappers were doing the same thing and still do.There needs to be more control over transporting the coyotes from state to state(=but most the time the fox pen owners do it without permits and without the states knowledge=) and more restriction on the stocking of fox pens with them,if you live near a fox pen for fox hunters to run their dogs in you are going to be over populated with coyotes.

[WSRandy]

This is a link I found on a Coyote rescue site of all places! Please forgive me for using this source for it is biased in certain areas, from a hunters view, but I thought the information on studies done on breeding, eating habits and populations in Indiana to be very interesting.
I also found it very interesting that the study done here does mention Turkeys and also mentions how litter sizes are affected by rodent population.
Mentions the Wolf as well!

I think we can blame the anti-fur PETA people for the coyote problems as much as anything. If a Coyote pelt was still worth $35 we wouldnt have as big of a population. Look at coons......they are everywhere anymore, just they dont eat our dogs I cant stand a coyote!

Randy

http://www.wolfpark.org/ICRC/Family_Canidae.html

[stanimals2]

NY: the connection here in Ohio between yotes and longbeards is just a coincedence. You see for years the migration of yotes from other states like WV and Penn. had been predicted and followed closley by the dept of Natural Resources. Just so happens they started showing up around the same time they started the long planned reintroduction of wild turkeys. I dont know about your area but it might be something to think about. We now have more than enough for sure, been real lucky with the hounds so far(knock on wood)no horor stories here

[ACOMEAU]

I have been a commited coyote hunter for several years now and have shot a pile. Here in NH we can shoot them over bait at night with lights in Jan/Feb/March. I use meat scraps from the local butcher at no cost. I fill a five gallon pale fill it with water and freeze it. I tie it to a tree in the back yard. I let them have some scraps for a few days then put out the bucket. I call it the "Meatsicle". The beagles let me know when they are there, usually around 02:00 am. 223. with a supressor on the end, mag light and right from the laundry room window, night night yote. Shot 8 last winter, haven't started shooting yet this winter, letting em get real comfortable. Keep in mind I live in the sticks and even if my nieghbors did hear, they wouldn't mind.

[Jake]

Between the trapin and the shootin we killed 150 yotes 75 red fox and only 2 gray fox The number of reds is about the same as the past but the number of grays is way down and the number of yotes is way up. Hopefully the number of rabbits will be up next year. We have not had any problems with dog losses...yet But.... Any way ever body here in thew backwoods of NW Ohio was a rifle and will shoot on site. We aint winning the war but for now we are holding our own.
Now if we could just start working on the hawks!
JAke