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Can someone help me. I have a thirteen month old male that I like alot. My problem is he to fast. He can circle his own rabbit, handles well, but I have been noticeing that when he is up and running hard (exspecialy on the snow) he will sometime over run the track by twenty feet. 80% of the time he will come back and pick the track back up, but it will take a minute or two. Already this season, if he gets a fast break in the open he some times catches them (he has caught three this year so far). My question is, how can I slow him down ? Someone please help.

Frustrated.

Your hound is not too fast... He just does not have the BRAINS to adjust per conditions. how long has he been started? Don't run anything else with him(young or old hounds) for a while and he might come out of it. competition would just make it worse. If you run him solo and he takes a minute or two to work checks that he causes, there most likely is no hope though. Just my opinion...Good Luck

DG TX is correct. My best dog started out like that, but with solo work she rarely overruns the track by far. You said he goes back to the spot of the lose, so he just needs time. If he has some brains and you solo him he should be fine. He just wants to run fast and with time he can do it cleanly. If you don't like a dog to run that fast you should get another cause he probably won't get a lot slower, though he may learn when to gear down for the conditions. He is young and prone to make those errors. Good luck!

THIS SOUNDS LIKE A HOUND I WOULD LOVE TO OWN, "FAST & RECKLESS!!!" I SAY JUST LET DOG DO WHAT COMES NATURAL TO HIM AND FOR THE SAKE OF ALL THE FAST DOGS IN WORLD. "DON'T TRY TO SLOW HIM DOWN!" IT SOUNDS TO ME, THAT HE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE A GREAT ARHA LITTLE PACK HOUND, AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, IF YOU DECIDE TO GET RID OF THIS DOG, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ASAP!!!

JOSH WRIGHT
HAMMER DOWN BEAGLES
"FAST & RECKLESS"

Jeezzee.I don't see a problem
here :-) He will learn to handle the checks better with time solo or not.Having said that I would solo him for some exp.Can't expect a 13 month old dog to perform like a 3 year old.

If he is still to fast later for you then you'll need a slower running bloodline.
David

Sounds like you should cull the dog, Send it to me and Ill take care of it for you, no really Iam serious

Very few "fast" dogs can run without over running the track, especially in poor scenting conditions. Most dogs I've owned that consistantly over ran the end had too much speed and not enough nose. If you get lucky and get a fast dog with a big nose, you'll see running like you never thought could happen. Thirteen months is still young, but if you're dog has to have the front when in a pack he will most likely overshoot worse. As someone said "Fast and Wreckless". Yeah some people like that, maybe it fits the format they compete in. It's awful nice in the spring and summer night running, man..talk about some poundin'. In my opinion "fast and wreckless" does absolutely nothing for you in the dead of winter when scenting is not head high. You better have a dog that is willing to gear down and work the track instead of worring about running the lead all the time.

Solo work is good and may help the dog learn to find checks better, but if he's always going over the end to stay in the front of the pack.....what good is he doing you and your pack? If you don't have a dog that can turn the track behind him all you have is stop...go....stop...go...stop...go. That's not worth a nickel!

Some folks say "I had a youg dog like that, but when he got 5yrs old he was a real dog". I don't want to keep a dog around for five years before he is going to please me! Do you?

The bottom line is, most dogs that over run the end constantly from being over competitive will always be like that. If you don't like a dog that causes breakdowns, and you think your dog is guilty of that, then I would ship him.

If the dog can run that fast in bad condidtions it doesn't sound like he lacks any nose what so ever, just the experience to know how to shut it down. Like DGTX said, run him solo, competition will not allow him to reach his full potential. Keep running him solo until he learns how to run HIS RABBIT HIS WAY not another dogs way. Good Luck

Try running him solo in the thickest, nastiest stuff you can find. This may cut down on the over running and let him learn to stick to the track better over time.

How much solo time to get a good idea whether the dog will cut the mustard?

I would solo him two or three times a week for a couple hours each time. You should be able to see at least some difference difference in a couple weeks. If he is going to learn he should learn at a good pace at 13 months.

Solo time??If you like the dog a whole lot and not kennel blind,so to speak, find a training pen-not starting pen- owned by someone that will give your hound all the solo time he needs for app 30 days,if you don't live where you can allow the hound to roam freely and run at will,like i do here.History repeats itself and i think i would research the hounds pedigree and see if the family had any of the same traits as your hound which will give you an idea if your hound will ever settle down and be the hound you expect it to be,an over competitive hound,seldom if ever,will be satisfied running second or behind another hound and nothing you can do to change those genetics,an animal has no reasoning abilities,most everything is breed in hounds.The foundation to my bloodline was fast and very competitive and as i stated in you other post,same as this one,you can speed them up but never slow them down,i have heard this from day one being in beagles and over time it has proven to be true,so i take started young hounds to fast for others put them with mine and speed them up,some i can speed up and others go off and run their own rabbit their own style and those go to others wanting slower hounds.

If this dog is a problem, please e-mail me. I will give him a home for life. gaotte@msn.com

guest if you dont like him i could buy him....

Lot of wisdom being shown here. All good info. My dog would run ahead of the pack all the time but would overun it at 13 mos. He loved the front . Old guy told me to solo him3 times and on the fourth run him with a pack then solo 3 more times and etc. wel he's 4yo now and hunts shoulder to shoulder with the front but doesnt run over anymore and the speed fits his nose well. works checks from the inside out rather than circling wide. All his pups did the same way but not as bad. Maybe cause i started with the 3 to 1 training method earlier. happy Hunting
Briar