"The Patch Hound"

WIZZARD · Post by **WIZZARD** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:12 am

It boggles my mind to see so many experts that raise Patch hounds!
A couple years ago no one spoke of them and now everone is the experts
breeding and selling "PURE" Patch. Seems to me alot of people have to breeding young dogs that they really don't sh--t from shinola.
BUYERS BEWARE

snowshoehareguide · Post by **snowshoehareguide** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:23 am

id like to learn more about the patch hound . i read the book. ive seen a few hounds that were called patch hounds. they were lemon and white color. they seemed to be a little bigger than most beagles. anyways id would really be interested in learning more about them, wheres the best place to get one now? what kind of nose do most have. ? what makes them different from other beagles. ? that kind of stuff. pete

Post by **Bev** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:27 am

WIZZARD, Obviously you know something about the Patch line of hounds to get so haired up about others' knowledge of them. Care to share what you know to be fact from fiction about the Patch line of hounds? The folks here are always trying to learn more about them.

wingpatch · Post by **wingpatch** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:31 am

I would be very interested in any info. You may have wizzard,. mabe you could share what you know.If you wish you could do it bye email .

snowshoehareguide · Post by **snowshoehareguide** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:52 pm

bev is there any way you could make people login or state their name. this post by wizzard is a good example- i would click on his profile or WWW he dont have any guest strikes again. maybe he does have a real concern . id like to know what it is. i dont mix any words. i sign my posts . lot of people i dont agree with . that doesnt mean i dont respect their opinion. im available to argue about it off the board and offline and if you want in front of my house. theres another guy that i know you really arent in love with . he signs his post . he gives good advice a big % of the time. sometimes i think hes totally out of line but i can tell you one thing i respect him a ton more than somebody that makes a smart remark under GUEST . anyways i know wingpatch has said the same. and you said others couldnt login but i bet they could learn . keep up the good work pete

wingpatch · Post by **wingpatch** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 6:10 pm

Snowshoehareguide, I agree with you 100%

snowshoehareguide · Post by **snowshoehareguide** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:13 pm

could be bin laden for all i know. i wasnt kidding about the patch hounds . i guess ive hunted with a half dozen . and these were big lemon and white dogs the owners called patch hounds. i saw some dogs run another time that were also called patch hounds and they were all tri-color and they were some screaming machines. i asked about the breeding and the guy says a little of this ,a little of that mostly patch breeding . they were from massachusetts. it was real good running wet packy snow . i was running a 1/2 blutic coonhound thats quite fast hes way over 15 inches ,closer to 20 . well these were beagles and they were about the same speed. they did seem bigger than 15 inches. they had numbers painted on them so had been trialed somewhere . these dogs ran with almost no losses . now they gave me goose bumps to see and hear them run. it was super conditions and id have to see them on a tough day to say if i wanted one but that doesnt mean i dont appreciate the kind of running they were doing . what trials allow taller dogs. ? ive always wondered if these dogs were over 15 or just seemed it. i know one thing i wouldnt want them chasing me. pete

WIZZARD · Post by **WIZZARD** » Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:06 am

Sometimes you learn more just by listening than add your 2cents. Just because it's White&Lemon don't mean anything. Do the leg work and you be better for it.As I said just cause the seller says Patch don't always mean Patch.Also breeders are breeding anything that is Patch for dollars
not the best to the best to get better.To me this isn't doing anything
for the Patch line that's why I say "BUYERS BEWARE!"

snowshoehareguide · Post by **snowshoehareguide** » Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:01 am

wizzard breeding dogs for color amounts to a waste of time ill sure agree with that. saw some things in a patch hound recently i didnt like. i havent seen enough of them to make any kind of judgement at all. wizzard i pretty much agree with you if you substitute beagles for patch hound or maybe even dogs. i read a quote today , they were talking about managing woodlands . it says something like " we base all our decisions on dollars and cents . this doesnt work cause we live in an enviroment not in a bank. " well if you look at my bank account youl see real quick that im not about managing for dollars and cents . everybody has to make some decisions based on dollars and cents . i got another one for you i used to do some custom farm work one of my farmers says " i myself dont need money but the people i owe it to would appreciate it if i get some. well i had to laugh even though i was there trying to collect some that was about a year overdue. and this guy did pay me in full eventually . ill go along with you ,you shouldnt breed dogs just for money thats for sure. if dogs are a full time job for you then you have too pay a little attention to the money they bring back. i think anybody thats in to breeding dogs just for money wont last long. the guys that breed the best will maybe get some money back over the long haul. and i think they deserve it. i used to hunt with a millionaire . i had about as good a dog as he did. but i put about every day of my life into it. he tried to buy my best dog once and i told him he didnt have the money to buy it. his answer was one of us is stupid. im pretty sure he was right about that . he could have bought everything i own with just the interest from his money except that dog. he didnt get him bought . i did give him some pups and he gave me some too . one i still have. anyways i cant speak for anybody but myself. sometimes i require some money . the people i owe it to apreciate it. if anybodies breeding dogs just for money wait a few years and theyll be gone and forgotten. ill never forget about willet randall cause of the book and some real good dogs i saw one time that somebody said were mostly patch breeding. im like the guy in the book with the skinny hounds that feeds them mostly rabbit tracks. pete

wingpatch · Post by **wingpatch** » Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:19 am

Very interesting wizzard, What would you suggest someone to look for as they are getting into the patch line or watch out for. I know it is always better to go see them in the field but a lot of the time it is not possible.

Rosewood · Post by **Rosewood** » Thu Mar 27, 2003 8:58 pm

I am interested in Patch Hounds too. I also have read the book. I have 2 pups that are out of Patch breeding. I do not claim that they are pure Patch although the pedigrees I have on them seem to be mostly if not all Patch. I have seen a few of the Patch Hounds run also and have been to a few kennels that had Patch hounds. One guy claimed that he had pure Patch Hounds and could trace each one of his back to the original patch hounds of Willet Randall. The ones that I've seen are mostly bigger boned dogs some lemon/white some red/white and some tri-colored. Most all that I've seen run are pretty fast and have a very tight mouth. Although there is a strain of patch hounds called the Yates patch hounds that originally came from Willet Randall in the 1950's I think. These Yates bred patch hounds were bred down south and were used mostly on cottontails with more emphasis place on line control. If I understand correctly the Yates bred Patch hounds came from about 4 or 5 that were bought from Mr. Randall and were not crossed outside of those dogs for about 50 years. Most of the yates bred hounds are closer to 13'' tall. Someone with more knowledge than me please correct me if I'm wrong or add more to this I would like to learn more about the pach hounds also and would like to see their integrity remain in tact.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 11:17 am

I did a interview with Mike Yates in "97" I think. We had gone down for a visit, on our way to Florida. At that time we had just gotten one of those new camcorders, so after lunch I got it out, along with a rabbit hunter magizine and kind of did the interview from the questions they ask in their interviews. I'll see if I can find the tape and give it to you "from the horse's mouth"...Patch

wingpatch · Post by **wingpatch** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:33 pm

Hey patch that sounds great, I would really like to have a copy of it..... wingpatch

wvrabbithunter · Post by **wvrabbithunter** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:19 pm

i sure would like to see that tape also if you could make a copy i would pay you for it thanks frank

steve · Post by **steve** » Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:51 pm

maybe Bev could get her hands on this interview and print it in an upcoming issue so we all might read it.Steve

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