Who to breed to Champion or Champions brother

billi · Post by **billi** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:34 am

A friend of mine called the other day saying a certain friend was going to breed to this Champion dog that is doing real good currently. I asked the question why doesnt he breed to his brother who is a lot closer but has never been to a trial. He asked me to ask other beaglers whats the overall opinion when it comes to breeding to same bloodlines. We have a few brothers as a matter of fact same blood hunt great but have not been trialed....Would it be that you can sell the pups better if by known Champion?? Anyone with opinions on this...

SouthernBeagles · Post by **SouthernBeagles** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:04 pm

Well, here is my take. If both males have been bred and both were throwing decent pups, I would breed to the brother rather than the FC IF he was has more of the qualities I was looking for in a stud dog. I don't breed to sell pups but to build on my pack and improve my bloodline. The male I choose to breed to has to have what my bitch is lacking but no faults that would hurt her. A title is nice and proves he is above average in ability but doesn't mean he is a producer.
I Have seen some really nice FC dogs that could not produce anything. Have seen some good hunting dogs that could produce good pups even if bred to a sorry bitch. Some dogs have producing power and some don't. Its a crap shoot but again, I would stack my chances on the dog that best complimented my bitch regardless of title.

Waccamaw Beagler · Post by **Waccamaw Beagler** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:44 pm

Nice Answer Southern

beerdrinking bob · Post by **beerdrinking bob** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:01 pm

southern said it right but if your selling the pups to people that has never seen either dog run i would guess they would sell better having a FC in the pedigree.

Big Mike · Post by **Big Mike** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:35 pm

B/D Bob hit it on the head,it's all about money. Breed to the Champion.

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:45 pm

Hopefully, all joking aside, it is all about getting some kickbutt nice pups so breed to whichever dog is throwing the best puppies, and as Southern said, compliments your bitch the best.
Unfortunately a lot of superb dogs can't produce.....unless you know for a fact that both of the dogs can produce you are probably safer going with the CH because at least it is proven that HE can hunt....

blunder · Post by **blunder** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:18 pm

Gets into the "fenotype" "genotype" thing.

(what you see is fenotype, and what it throws is genotype)

And there is only one way to find out

Shady Grove Beagles · Post by **Shady Grove Beagles** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:27 pm

As far as the quality of the resulting pups are concerned the Field Champion title has ABSOLUTELY NO bearing on them. Champion titles are unfortunately not heriditary.The hound MUST be a proven reproducer first and formost if you expect him to pass on his charecteristics to his pups.
DO NOT make the mistake of thinking that just because they are brothers that they are genetically alike as they may or may not be. One may be prepotent for the traits that you are looking for and the other could be useless for that pupose. Happens all the time.
Look at some human families that you know. They may have 4 sons and they may not look much alike at all and others are all a spitting image of each other.

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:34 pm

Shady Grove Beagles wrote: Look at some human families that you know. They may have 4 sons and they may not look much alike at all and others are all a spitting image of each other.

Exactly. Have you ever seen some of the brothers and sisters of supermodels? Sometimes they have good looks too but more often than not they aren't so blessed.