The American Beagler Forum

This is not in any way meant to down grade any one or any dog. I have heard that offspring of Turbo and his grandpups not always but have been known to be a little on the trashy side compared to your average say Northway bloodline. Now I realize that there are many factors as far as what makes a dog trashy like how they are handled. I would really like to hear some input from some of you guys that have trained turbo bred dogs and many other bloodlines in the same manner. Have you noticed the statement of them being trashy to be true somewhat true or complete myth?

I would have to say every dog Ive had except 1 that has had any desire has ran deer. the 1 that hasnt is only 18 months old.

I think about any of the Hare bred dogs will run deer .

My buddy and me have 2 young Northway females they both liked deer off the bat, you just gotta break them.

I love that Northway hunt just as much as any of you, but to say they are naturally straight is a streach from my opinion. I think 95% of fired up young hounds givin the oppurtunity will roll out on trash especially under pressure.

Check out the dogs for sale on beaglesforsaleonline.com. All of them ain't never run no trash.

I'm kinda new to this but i've not had any trouble with my young dogs on deer i think that is mainly due to the fact that where i run them until they are about a year old doesn't have many deer so when i have taken them to spots where deer are thicker so far they have turned them down i dont think nor would i ever say my dogs are naturally straight i just think that they havent run deer because they have never had the chance

Best way to see how trashproof your dogs are is to run them where there are only a few rabbits but plenty of deer, turkey, fox, housecats, etc. Run them for about 2-3 hours and if they haven't ran off game I'd say they're broke. I run my young dogs in turkey and deer woods with just a few bunnies so I can break them. Then when you go to run rabbits in an area teaming with bunnies they won't give off game a second look.

I have never owned a dog that didnt at least try one deer on for size, and I have owned many differant blood lines. I know of a few that never have, but I have never owned one. I try to go ahead and get the deer run over with early on, so I can shock them, and get to running rabbits.

i have a young northway hound that is probably the best deer dog i've ever owned... with that said, i'll break her just because she is completely kicking rabbit butt also...

i see it this way, there isn't any line thats trash proof... send me a pup out of your straightest litter and bet me $100 that i can't get it running off game of some sort....

-jack

xdawg wrote:i have a young northway hound that is probably the best deer dog i've ever owned... with that said, i'll break her just because she is completely kicking rabbit butt also...

i see it this way, there isn't any line thats trash proof... send me a pup out of your straightest litter and bet me $100 that i can't get it running off game of some sort....

-jack

Well said Jack and I couldn't agree more. Many of my beagles that I have owned over the years wouldn't run deer but they would burn up a cat or Turkey. Bottom line - these dogs are hounds are not born with - OK I am only going to run rabbits - NOT going to happen. They have to be trained.
I have had beagles run Pheasant and I liked it. Made the hunters in the next field over happy when it flew over their way.

Jonny, funny you should mention pheasants. I shocked a 13 month old gyp off of 1 deer, 3 cats yesterday but allowed her to jump the same rooster twice. Second time the darn thing flew right over my head.

Its been unseasonably warm here this weekend and it seems that the temptation to run everything but rabbits has gotten the best of this female. She was pretty out of sorts yesterday, looked like somebody that just got a trig pop quiz thrown at them. (see new topic)

Any dog that has not been broke will take a deer this time of the year. The rut is finally winding down here, but they are still awfully smelly.

I agree that you could take any pup and get it to run trash.........but why would you want to?

I run collars on all of my young hounds and if any decide to take deer 1 treatment is all it takes. But I don't run them with trash. You can turn a 4 year old trashy if you run it with trash everyday.

To say that the hounds I raise are trashproof would be way out of line but I have raised a many a pup that when raised and started correctly are natural broke.

I presently have 2 young males that are newly started and running well at 1 1/2 years that see deer every time out and have never touched them the first time. The last time out I ran with someone new and his female ran deer the whole time she was on the ground and the pups refused to run with her.

I feel if I continue to run them with her they would eventually fall in and go with her. This where I as a handler use better judgement and only run my old broke hounds that can handle that pressure. Only run the pups with clean hounds and they too will probably stay clean and be natural.

As far as the line that I have when started by an experieced handler roughly 70% end up natural broke to deer. I haven't had a deer problem in years.

Now mind ya' since I've moved up here I have found that my old hounds like a rooster pheasant and I have worked on that a little but more work still to be done.

I hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving and wish you all a Merry Christmas.

If you can get your dogs to never run a deer, thats great, but I love to run, and hunt with as many people as possible. I have run with some real humdingers. so I try to break early, and wind up with the dog that tells on the others.

70% is a awfull big number there goose. i guess my next question goose. Does your dogs have good hunt, will they search with out u, go diggen in the thick stuff???

The beauty of being a hunter and not a field trialer is you can let your beagles run pheasants if your a hunter. That's the only off game that will not get my dogs shocked. My current dogs do not run them but my old SPO line hounds did. I could always tell becasue Bonnies bark was totally different. Here in Ohio the ODNR let pen raised pheasants loose that run on the ground more than they fly. It's like hunting chickens.

jonnyringo wrote: It's like hunting chickens.

Know that rite there was funny!!!