The American Beagler Forum

over use of ecollar?
no ecollar?
just letting hounds run loose?
running dogs with trashy dogs?
letting them sit up all summer?
lack of a good trainer>?

Preacher -
I'll have to say "lack of a good trainer" as that could include any of the other things listed. But probably, running dogs w/ trashy dogs has ruined more dogs than anything else.
You could also include to your list making a dog gun shy by not introducing them to a gun properly.
-pete

Patience
Without a doubt patience!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To many hounds man purchase a pup out of a popular bloodline and if they aren't barn burners in less than a year. The owner is on to the next big thing.

All dogs need allot of run time.yard work and patients.
To many hounds on the Internet run check less that does not help either!!!!

DaManBeagles
Joel and Joe Roseberry

ALL OF THE ABOVE.
MIKE

The shock collar for sure; but along with that, when you live in conditions where its much, much more easy to find deer than it is to find rabbits. You can shock a dog off deer, but unless you can then find rabbits to put him on, you can do dammage to the dog.

Ignorance.....which includes all of the above.What I am trying to say is what a old-time houndsman told me."More owners and handlers need to be culled than dogs ":shock: something to think about.

Pack Pressure at too young of an age.

Poor uncalculated breeding of one worhtless hound to another. No chance from the day the pup first see the light of day. Just breeding for the sake of breeding, with abslolutely no rhyme or reason.

Lack of proper socialization at the critical stages in a pups first few months!!

Watch it Crabby don't tell everything thing you know. When you have at that exact moment you will know nothing at all!

Hey Preacher,
In answer to your post all of the things you have listed and especially the trainer not knowing how to handle dogs.

1. Running young dogs with hounds that run off game
2. Poor breeding / genetics
3. Handlers who mistreat their hounds or exhibit a lack of patience

I would have to say "Yes" to your question.

all the above and mainly trainer cause to me running them with bad dogs trainers fault and over use of an ecollare are both signs of someone not knowing what they are doin

I agree with duke to many people breeding junk dogs and passing them off as allstars