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I need some advice and would like an opinion from all my beagle buddies on this board.

so I had one of my bitches bred back in feb from the 10th to the 15th. No pups as of yet and she isn't very big at all. yes I had thought I felt something in there and yes I saw a little milk from one of her nipples. But day 63 gone and went and no pups and she seems skinny than those pics I posted before in another thread. So I believe false preg. I tried to get a friend to come out and check her out and that didn't work out. I'm the only one who has seen her and I feel like such a dummy for not being able to tell if she has atleast one or two pups in her. As of now I still say she isn't going to have a pup. What dog has one or two anyway. Should have atleast 4 or 5 come on now.

So as Of April 16th Blood on my Bitch Tracking Lisa. She is in heat and almost ready to be bred. I DON"T KNOW WHEN the correct day would be to breed her. Like I said APRIL 16th is when I first saw the blood. I marked it on the calendar.

So here are my options.

I would like to drive over to Kentucky and breed her to Jimmy's Junie dog. Would like to do this sat or sun. It's going to be a haul but I feel it will be worth it. Load up the truck get a hotel and let junie do his thing.

Now lisa...........her biggest fault is cold trailing on them cold frosty mornings. She does this. I don't mind it cause I'm a rabbit hunter and not a field trialer. Lisa has a strong nose. It not really bad. I've seen dogs cold trail worse than her. Usually when she does it the rabbit is up in 4 minutes or less by either her or another of my dogs. YES she passed this trait to her offspring. I had a litter off her two years ago and kept one. I crossed her with my Pistol dog. He is not a cold trailer opens when rabbit is up. I picked one that looked just like him and she ended up giving a few barks on colder frosty mornings just like her momma. other than that the one I kept turned out pretty darn good. During warmer months she doesn't cold trial much. Just on them cold days.

As far as Hunt goes. She is always busy searching. NEVER I repeat NEVER does she stay by my feet. NEVER. I let her off and she goes to work. SHE IS and AWESOME check dog. I believe her strong nose helps in the check area.

Jump dog - not so much of a jump dog. She isn't that much of a jump dog at all. YES she jumps a few here and there but not like my other dogs.

PACKING - she will pack with any strange dog I put her with. Doesn't matter what dog or dogs she joins right in and goes to town. Doesn't quick at all. goes and goes.

When the rabbit holes she will not give up. will stay and work it out.

Line Control - she has excellent line control. Runs her rabbits doesn't swing out like some dogs do. Nice and easy on the line. Not the fastest thing out there I call her a strong medium speed.

So what do you guys think if I cross this kind of bitch to Junie. She doesn't have papers cause she was givin to me free when she was a pup. But I do have her NKC reg.

The bad thing about all this is by hunting season the pup will only be 4 months old. If daisy would have only pulled thru for me I'd had a 6.5 month old the start of rabbit season.

Would also like to add. I'd like to see the other pups go to a good rabbit hunter's home. Used for what its bred to do. I want to add another dog to my pack. Only reason I'm doing all this. It's becoming to be harder than I thought.

her last litter she had 5 and raised them all. Was a good mamma dog.

this is lisa
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or buy a pup a well bred pup...........but what????????????????
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Sorry your dog didn't come thru with your puppies. This late I'd believe I'd buy a pup.

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that's what I think too. It's too late for a litter of pups. but in all reality if I can get the pup to start right at 4 months old which I believe I can the pup would be 5 months come November when I really start to lay into em hard. But I agree it will be putting alot of stress on a lil 5 month old trying to keep up with a well seasoned pack of hounds. But if its a well bred pup I don't see why it couldn't keep up. What better practice than under the gun during rabbit season. I'm just going to have to work twice as hard.

And it will all be worth it cause i"ll be getting that junie pup I've been after for quiet some time. I just wished it was with a female that is a jump dog like my daisy bitch. One that likes to dive in brush piles and flush them out.

Lisa isn't much for rooting in brush piles and diggin them out like daisy does. Daisy is just that special dog of mine that isn't like the rest. That's why I was trying to duplicate her. Sucks really disappointed and bummed out about all this.

hope junie pups have what I'm looking for. maybe jimmy could answer some of my questions on this matter
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Have you considerd takeing her to a vet for an X-Ray.To be sure she does not have one or two ,that is not passing.

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She is not even showing any signs of labor pains. Nothing. just normal daisy. Eats sleeps poops drinks lays out in the sun ol daisy.

I'm just so confused right now about all this.

I had thought she was diggin and scratchin around in her kennel. SHE was you know why. Cause she had to poop and being in the other unfamiliar kennel she went in the house instead of the slotted floor in the run. that is why she was scratching.

nothing seems to be out of the ordinary with her. Not seeing her in pain or any discharge back there. Nothing.
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anyone know when the best day to breed a bitch is.

Saw sign of blood on April 16th.

????????????????

and how many ties does it take
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breed her 0n the 9th and breed her at least again on the 11th day ,the sperm will stay alive in her for 36 hrs ,so breed her again in 48 hrs it will make the difference .Also why not wait and breed a better female to junie ,one that doesnt have the cold trailing trait .If I was breeding to junie I would want to breed a top gyp to him ,my theory :shock:
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eddywilliams wrote:breed her 0n the 9th and breed her at least again on the 11th day ,the sperm will stay alive in her for 36 hrs ,so breed her again in 48 hrs it will make the difference .Also why not wait and breed a better female to junie ,one that doesnt have the cold trailing trait .If I was breeding to junie I would want to breed a top gyp to him ,my theory :shock:
I only own 3 females. Tried with daisy it failed on me. LIsa is in heat right now and ready to go. Leah is to young of a dog to breed not yet for her. So that leaves me with lisa. The cold trialing sounds worse than it really is. Its not that bad but she does it. My pistol dog and daisy dog only bark with the rabbit jumps out of its bed. Lisa may give a few barks before hand. It helps tell me a rabbit is in the area. She doesn't do this all the time. Only when frost is on the ground. and it's not like she sits in one spot and blows holes in the ground. she acutally runs around the area and tries to find it. I've killed a lot of rabbits cause of this type of hunting style. So it's not bad if you are a rabbit hunt. Might hurt trailers though. thats all if they take after her. I'm mixing her with junie so maybe he'll correct this in the pups. That's if Jimmy will let me breed to him.


thats why I put all her fault on the table. for all to see.

also read in one of jimmys post that if you have a mouthy bitch bred to junie to help tighten em up. Think some junie pups turn out on the tighter mouth side.
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right here


"If your bitch is edgy with mouth, he can clean it up. If you desire hunt in your dogs, he has produced exceptional hunt. Need a dog for all day? He throws tons of bottom end, like to smile when your dogs claims with authority. He does. Do you need a better mouth on your bitch? He is throwing a tight mouth no bullshit bark type pup. I hate mouthy dogs, bark when you have a rabbit or shutup. How about foot? He is not the fastest, but seldom gets left behind for long.He is throwing good foot to offspring, what would be my ideal crosses on him? Buzzsaw bitches,Primetime bitches-I have yet to bred a primetime bitch but he will and i look for it to hit nicely. Also iron eagle bitches are hard to find but i believe would hit nicely, i will know soon enuff. If you are looking for 11-12 inch hounds no need to call he will not throw em. he throws 14-15 bitches and big males. If junie can help he needs layed.Thanks for reading Jimbo"
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As for breeding to Junie I think it's hard to go wrong with him. I would say its definitely worth the drive.The more I see of the Junie/dreamcatcher pups the more I like them. They have speed,desire and nose .I was hoping for 1 exceptional dog out of this litter.It looks like there may be several. David Martin has one called Smokey that is supposed to be very nice.Street talk says Jimmy's Jimbo dog is tough.The 5 that my nephew,brother and father own will all make rabbit dogs.One of the main things that impresses me about Junie is that he is throwing impressive dogs out of several diffent bloodlines that he is bred to.
As far has putting a bunch of pressure on a 4 or 5 month old pup I just wouldn't do it. Why ruin a good thing.Good luck to you whatever your decision is.
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My opinion may be biased, I have yet to see anything other than rabbit hounds from him.He was bred to produce and that he has.Watch the next year trials that will tell the true picture.
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Just my advice you asked for.
Don't breed this female expecting to get the pup you want as odds are way against you. I believe the female puts far more into the pups than the male, so, expect the pups to be more like her.

Reminds me of a story that I think fits here:
A couple wanted to create the perfect child to adopt so they found the smartest man they could find, Albert Einstein, and bred him to the prettiest woman they could find, Anna Nicole Smith. The child should of been perfect in their minds, brillant and beautiful, but, low and behold, the child turned out to look like him and think like her.

List the faults of BOTH the sire and Dam as you did with your female above. Its smarter to expect you'll create those traits in your pups than to expect to breed out traits you don't want.

Remember, Best you can find to Best you can find! It's expensive to raise pups so you need all the odds you can muster in your favor.

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Is the bitch that you have on all the threads on ...............Now you're saying she is NOT pregnant. The same bitch you have the thread on about her showing and the same bitch about the milk???? Didn't you state that she was showing sings of nesting, if I have the correct female? Another thread you stated she was giving milk when you pressed on her nipple , is this the same female?? How can she at one time have milk, another time show she is coming into labor, and start showing phsyically getting larger by your words?? Didn't you state you saw and felt pups in HER??
I am totally confused if this is the same female. If this is the same female,I would take her to the vet's and make sure she is or is not. If she did as you stated the above signs you need to find out if there is any pups in there. YES, she can have only one or two pups. Not every litter is a bakers dozen!
The females don't always have them on day 63, it can go to day 65 and even longer. If it does go past day 65 is when they need to be vet checked. Then this is telling you she is late and there could be complications.
As far as breeding another dog, I would take care of this one first!
HOW CAN YOU BE THIS WRONG ON ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT SIGNS YOU POSTED? :roll:
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Buy a pup before you drive yourself crazy with the idea of another litter, you might start seeing things again. LOL.

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I would not breed a cold trailer ,trial or gun hunter ,I have let several top dogs go just on this trait ,even popping off ,good luck .They call me Fast Eddy :shock:
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