The American Beagler Forum

I know when the subject of big nose comes up everybody starts talking snownose here in kentucky our snow is limited but we do have a lot of cold frosty mornings just wondering if anyone has ever seen a hound that excelled in the frosty conditions and is frost nose or snow nose equal to the same thing just wondering seen alot of posts about snow but never anything about the frosty conditions in the southern states maybe some imput from you guys who have ran both conditions might be interesting thanks in advance Donald

Frost in my opinion can be as tuff to run in for a hound than snow,it burns off fast when the sun comes up then the sent drys up.Crusty snow is tuff also but in my opinion Frost is tuff as it gets on a sunny day.

Hard to get them going on the frost... lots of bumping. They eventualy will work close enough to jump it... i think the rabbits sit tighter
on a good frosty morning, so the close jump / sight chase takes a while to get going.

When the sun comes over the tree tops and melts the frost the scenting is excellant... for a brief period... then dreis up and tough scenting
again. I have had many want to wait til the frost melts before casting... I like to get out thre and let my hounds work thru it. If they do not
have the oppertunity to learn to deal with the conditions then they are only fair weather hounds.

Here in Arkansas we have HEAVY frosts.... pretty to look at as the dawn breaks.

Two weeks ago was my hounds first experience with snow... was humbeling to say the least.5.5" and 25+ mph winds to boot! I just let them work
at their pace... beats sitting on the couch. we had a few little races... enough to gain experience... but not to brag on.

the next weekend still had snow... melted and frozen again, then a dusting on top... as mentioned, hard to get going... had to settle down
and work it out... but when they did... this time was worth bragging about!!!

If they have the desire and the brains... they will work it out for themselves, just gotta give them the oppertunities.

elliot peters has a dog that I believe is the best dog I have ever seen on frost, snow, or nasty conditons. He doubled our bag one day and doubled the amount of rabbits jumped, nine killed, 20 or 21 circled, because of his ability to walk out a track. I pulled my dogs off twice because I thought he was cold tracking only to have him put the rabbit up when five other dogs just could not get the job done. For the most part top notch rabbit hounds too, not just dogs. The dogs name is brady, not sure of breeding but he can get her done!

here in carolina it seems that they have a real tuff time on frost but when it melts off they do pretty good as long as there is a little moisture on the ground but here lately we have been real dry and what little bit of moisture in the ground was frozen it has finnaly thawed out a little and we ran yesterday and it took forever for the the dogs to get a rabbit up and going but then the only way they could do it with any style was they had to have the rabbit in a bottom to be able to do anything with it and all my dogs have gears and decent noses normally and these are all dogs that are 4 years old and up no pups just seasoned dogs ,seems to me humidity and wind play a bigger part than we realize you could run the rabbit out on a rise and the dogs would struggle or loose the rabbit everytime yesterday seems like they just could not get it done unless they were inside the swamp where the ground was a little damp but as the day progressed they did get a little better but not much,maybe it is global warming we have had frozen ground here for about 20 days first time in about 20 years that we have had this for over 3 days ,but we have a heat wave coming in the next couple of days with a lot of rain so the ground and scenting conditions should pick up.

Thanks for such kind words there Matt. Didn't know you had it in you to say something good about one of my Culls. LOL! Ole Brady has been doing what he did for us that day for years on those bad days. I need to breed him to something before it's to late. I know he puts good pups on the ground with his same nose so I had better get him bred sometime. Let's get this done Saturday because you know we're going to get this snow and you'll need Brady to kill anything. LOL! JK!
Peace out brother, and you were right last night. It was a great night to run. I even had my sidney and alibi pups giving good mouth on a track or two.
Elliott

team fudd wrote:elliot peters has a dog that I believe is the best dog I have ever seen on frost, snow, or nasty conditons. He doubled our bag one day and doubled the amount of rabbits jumped, nine killed, 20 or 21 circled, because of his ability to walk out a track. I pulled my dogs off twice because I thought he was cold tracking only to have him put the rabbit up when five other dogs just could not get the job done. For the most part top notch rabbit hounds too, not just dogs. The dogs name is brady, not sure of breeding but he can get her done!

Elliott,
little off topic here but do you have any idea what you would cross Brady with? Just a thought but your bitch's with Northway Iceman are FC Birch Lake Texas T bred and so was the FTCH Cold Creek Al side of Brady
I have a 15" bitch that Milts Woodstock Rockstar is her grandfather and money can't buy her and I am a huge fan of Cold Creek Al if you do something let me know we may have to bring a male to upstate NY.

Jason

jason wrote:Elliott,
little off topic here but do you have any idea what you would cross Brady with? Just a thought but your bitch's with Northway Iceman are FC Birch Lake Texas T bred and so was the FTCH Cold Creek Al side of Brady
I have a 15" bitch that Milts Woodstock Rockstar is her grandfather and money can't buy her and I am a huge fan of Cold Creek Al if you do something let me know we may have to bring a male to upstate NY.

Jason

Jason,
I'm looking forward to crossing Brady up "down the road" with my bitches out of Buzzsaw "who's out of Milts Woodstock Rockstar" or grand pups to Buzz. I tried breeding Brady to my Diesel Bitch "Northway Iceman X Buzzsaw's littler mate sister" but had some awful bad luck with them. I wouldn't mind breeding him to one of them again but I love my pups out of them and Rip. I'll need to breed Brady to something soon because he isn't getting any younger. I really want to try getting something with his nose, jump ability; hunt and any of those females should help with putting the puzzle together with Brady to get what I want in my pups. To answer your question I would breed Brady to something that is HEAVILY line bred that has a big nose and correct or tight mouth. He seems to put hunt in his pups with good foot, control and check work. He will give extra mouth "but nothing too awful bad" so that's why I stated big nose with correct mouth or something a little tight. That's why I took him to my Diesel female because she's tight mouthed. Blood line wise I think he would cross up well with something that is line bred Northway, Dingus, or Dom's Dougie (Birch Lake Texas T). I guess when it comes down to it the Mt. Zion Pete blood would do best with him if you ask me. If you want to breed to him let me know and we'll do our best to make it happen. Hopefully I've answered your questions and if not try again and I’ll do my best to. Thanks for asking.
Elliott

I have to say ddetar00 is right on about run um in it and let them get the experence.I know when I use to run coon hounds some of the guys would quit running when the frost fell.Well you quessed it,their dogs never learned to run on the frost.I'm the same way with my beagles unless the conditions are going to harm them such as ice cutting their feet.