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How many of you have ever tried to breed a son to his mother. This was talked about at a hunt and I was wondering how many people have tried this or know of dogs that are from a mother/son cross.

Any information would be interesting to hear.

Thanks
Nate

to close, i think you would have some problems with the pups, some deformed or oyher things. this may cause problems down the line in other litters, i would not take the chance.

This is definitley not something for the average breeder to do. This should only be attempted by a Master Breeder with a thorough and long knowledge of the dogs pedigree's and also knowledge of genetics and how they work. In my opinion the average parent and pup breeding would have a much better chance of making BAD Beagles than good ones. That's simple old Murphy's Law

Honey Pot Hounds wrote:This is definitley not something for the average breeder to do. This should only be attempted by a Master Breeder with a thorough and long knowledge of the dogs pedigree's and also knowledge of genetics and how they work. In my opinion the average parent and pup breeding would have a much better chance of making BAD Beagles than good ones. That's simple old Murphy's Law

and why is that honey care to elaborate a lil for us its not gonna make something thats not already there you would just be breeding to one side more than if you went the other way ive never done it but not because im scared of what i would get im thinking about doing a father to daughter soon only reason i havent yet is because the daughter is a grade dog

IMO, breeding a parent to their offspring is no more injurious to the breed than any other breeding if you are willing to keep the entire litter and act responsibly.

Newt--- You are right on target !!!

My opinion on this subject:
This would be defined as inbreeding and yes, it has a great value. First of all, inbreeding does no create a bunch of problems within the bloodline. Any well established bloodline has some inbreeding in it's history. In fact, there is a thin line between inbreeding and line breeding. In example, son to mother, father to daughter, full sister to full brother is inbreeding, however, son to grandmother, father to grand daughter, half brother to half sister is line breeding.
As was stated in one of the comments above, inbreeding is NOT for the novice. It should only be done by a houndsman who is well versed in that particular bloodline AND that family of dogs. Only such a breeder will know the real results of such a breeding.
At the beginning of my comment, I said that inbreeding has great value. It will magnify both the strongest and weakest abilities of the parents. Sometimes but not always, recessive genes will be present in both Sire and Dam that will result in defects such as a propensity for crooked tails, crooked legs, dwarfism, severe under or over bites, hyperthyroidism, dibetes, weak digestive systems, etc. When these bad things occur, the lesson is simple, inbreeding within this particular family is NOT in the best interest of the breed.

I agree with newt and Bill be responsible and cull when needed. This happens in nature all the time and the weak dont survive and the strong go on. good luck cojax

This is an interesting topic,i think if someone were going to make this kind of breeding they would have to know their pedigree really well and had the same line of dogs for several generations,any kind of linebred or inbred cross is going to intensify traits good and bad.I would like to hear from some guys that have heavy linebred dogs and have made this kind of cross mother/son father/daughter or half littermates keep the info coming good topic Donald

here's somthing that might help.

http://www.nrta.com/breedforfoundation/breedingfor.html

Go for it!

As long as the dogs are "perfect" (in your eyes) I wouldn't worry about anything.

Its when guys start breeding "paper" and disregarding the flaws in their hounds that they run into trouble.

The Branko dogs for instance are getting very "tight". How many times is Anna's Ann in there? Yet they perform very well and produce.

I've seen quite a few nice females bred (Father x Daughter, 75%) then take a female pup bred back to the father's brother (87.5%).... Ernie Weir's dog is also 87.5% if you do the math.

Good luck,
LPB

Nate I am gonna make a cross with a female out of EYER'S GENO TO A MALE OUT OF EYER'S GENO WITH DIFFERENT DAMS .This is about it on inbreeding for me except gr. sire to gr daughter ............ I have seen several coon dog breedings like this and it mostly intensified the bad traits .Merle Crain made across like that brother to sister I believe the dog went on to win the world hunt if I'M NOT MISTAKEN .Maybe some one knows a little more about this cross and can elaborate on it .

It can be done have several here,Piper is a father daughter cross,my Ace dog came from a bitch that was brother x sister cross,Nitro is a father x daughter cross, then took Nitro back to his mother ( Chopper ) plan on breeding Nitro x Piper which in turn would be 2 inbred dogs on the top side same sire different dams which would give me Killer on top 4 times up close also plan on putting Nitro to his daughter ( Cheetah) so yes it can be done and no I haven't run into any problems yet,and yes you need to cull hard the bad trait/faults and no they don't have 2 heads or six legs either