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My reds both go hunting (never at your feet) and jump/strike all their own rabbits I never go in the brush

When I hear a dog strike in for the first time he/she better keep it going and jump it. I don't like the meaning or the term "Strike Dog" Strike dog to me is a dog that cannot completely jump the rabbit. My 02 cents

is a strike dog to say considered more of a cold trailer?

what is a strike dog?

like to hear different opinions from everyone. give me your best definition of a strike dog.

Joeyman wrote:is a strike dog to say considered more of a cold trailer?

I was in a ARHA PP trial, I was in the gallery. I hear a dog strike in, then silence for a couple minutes, then after that she struck in again, but silence again. Then she struck in again a few minutes later. It only takes three strikes to call it a jump I think. Well after the third strike, it was a few minutes later that another dog in the cast that was with that dog started to bark continuously. I felt like the first dog was striking in but didn't have the confidence to really put it on and hammer down on the track, the other dog got it warmed up. If I was the judge it would be hard for me to give the first dog that struck in three different times the jump, even though its in the rule book, I don't believe she deserved it!

Harner's Hounds wrote:

Joeyman wrote:is a strike dog to say considered more of a cold trailer?

I was in a ARHA PP trial, I was in the gallery. I hear a dog strike in, then silence for a couple minutes, then after that she struck in again, but silence again. Then she struck in again a few minutes later. It only takes three strikes to call it a jump I think. Well after the third strike, it was a few minutes later that another dog in the cast that was with that dog started to bark continuously. I felt like the first dog was striking in but didn't have the confidence to really put it on and hammer down on the track, the other dog got it warmed up. If I was the judge it would be hard for me to give the first dog that struck in three different times the jump, even though its in the rule book, I don't believe she deserved it!

what? Just because a dog strikes in 3 times first doesn't mean that dog gets awarded a jump!!!!

stavemillbeagles wrote:

Harner's Hounds wrote:

Joeyman wrote:is a strike dog to say considered more of a cold trailer?

I was in a ARHA PP trial, I was in the gallery. I hear a dog strike in, then silence for a couple minutes, then after that she struck in again, but silence again. Then she struck in again a few minutes later. It only takes three strikes to call it a jump I think. Well after the third strike, it was a few minutes later that another dog in the cast that was with that dog started to bark continuously. I felt like the first dog was striking in but didn't have the confidence to really put it on and hammer down on the track, the other dog got it warmed up. If I was the judge it would be hard for me to give the first dog that struck in three different times the jump, even though its in the rule book, I don't believe she deserved it!

what? Just because a dog strikes in 3 times first doesn't mean that dog gets awarded a jump!!!!

My bad, I typed it out wrong Steve. My bad, she was reward two strikes, but the other dog Jumped in and continuously barked and was rewarded the jump. I now see what I typed!!! My Bad! I'm a

My bad, I typed it out wrong Steve. My bad, she was reward two strikes, but the other dog Jumped in and continuously barked and was rewarded the jump. I now see what I typed!!! My Bad! I'm a [/quote]

my name is Chris not steve and the dog shouldn't have been given two strikes on one rabbit. There is only 1 strike given per rabbit.

Strike = first dog to bark 3 barks . The rabbit may already be up or it could be that this hound has extra mouth and may be barking on older tracks or in arha the dog could just be barking without cause . If another dog gets a rabbit up within 3 minutes after any hound in the cast barks 3 barks and the 3 barks dog joins in , the barking dog gets the strike .

If a dog barks 3 barks and no rabbit is produced that dog should recieve minus points .

Jump= the dog that actually gets the rabbit up from where it's settled in . Often a dog will have to be alone or directly in front of the judge before being rewarded a jump . Jumps are seldom rewarded and I feel this is the reason more trialers lean toward check dogs . JMO

I judged a cast one time and the cold trailing /mouthy dog starting barking so it was put onto the clock . That dog and I think two others went into the brush pile and the rabbit was produced ( I seen it ) . I gave the barking dog strike points and no one got the jump . Some may think the barking dog should have gotten the jump but any of the dogs in the pile could have produced that rabbit .

Once the rabbit is jumped or up and running after the first strike there will only be check points rewarded .

I'm NO trialer so if anyone wants to correct me feel free ... I'm sure it could prob be explained better by someone else ...

Joey,

Any dog that calls dogs to it before it jumps a rabbit is not wanted here. Usually a jealous dog that can only get the front by calling dogs to it and that cuts down on territory being covered by all the dogs. Bad to have dogs in a line while looking for a rabbit. Heck, might as well as only have one dog, the mouthy one.

Positive is that eventually the dogs that run with it often will soon figure it out and continue hunting while it calls and calls but to no avail. Good thing to look for when trying out a dog. Run it with others in their kennel first. Other dogs will tell you a lot about what they know about each other if you just listen and watch them.

Look at the clip of madcatters SCIENTER and see how we like a dog to do. He doesn't say a word until it is jumped and I'll bet my hat he knew there was a rabbit in there BEFORE he wasted his time going in that place.

A JUMP dog is looking for a rabbit; a STRIKE dog is looking for a track. Jump dogs do not open much at all (if any) before the rabbit is up; Strike dogs will open and work a track with mouth before the rabbit is up. That is how I define the two terms. A GOOD dog is just that (good) and both styles can put rabbits in the game bag. But GREAT jump dogs are very rare indeed!!!!!!

Alot of times your jump dog, when working a check, is more worried about where the rabbit HAS WENT...... and your strike dog is more worried about where the rabbit HAS BEEN.

Totally different styles of dogs in my opinion. A person could go on and on about this topic.

On a jump a rabbit has to be seen, or a dog by itself blows out of the area. 30 point, If he barked three times he was also struck in; another 10 points. A strike is only 10 points. So it is a know brainer,a jump or jump dog is better. A dog can jump a rabbit, another dog bark three times on something else and recieve strike points. Strike points are set up for bad scenting and baby rabbit. Where no dog in the world can blow out, they dog there best just to keep the track going.

A great post Mr. Glomski, I dont know if it could be said any better. I completely agree with your post.

very interesting