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Hi to everyone. Been busy so haven't had time to write. Just wanted to let you all know about a little incident I went through. Finally got the sister to the Beagle I lost back in 2003. Got Goldie in January and she is a rabbit running machine. When I wormed with the Imovec horse wormer the first week of October she acted a little off. I wormed all of the dogs on Monday afternoon, by eight pm she was drooling all over, having tremors, and walking into things. I rushed her to the vet to find out she was poisoned by bad wormer. The vet put her on an IV and gave her Valium. Brought her home and kept her on the IV and Valium. Made a big pot of Chicken Noodle soup and started giving her about two drops every ten to twenty minutes. Wednesday I had to take her back to the vet and have another IV port put in since the one plugged up and she couldn't get fluid. She wasn't any better by Thursday. Called the vet and he said she may not make it since she wasn't responding. I was hysterical. I took out the IV and quit giving her Valium. I stayed with the soup since I didn't want her to dehydrate. Friday afternoon she decided she was going to walk. I took her out with a towel around her belly holding her up. She decided she wanted to be on her own so I let he go. She walked, fell down got up. Took her in and she ate a whole bowl of soup. By Sunday she was walking on her own, still wobbly but staying up for quite a while. Monday night on the daily dog walk, she jumped a rabbit. Took about another week for her pupils to get back to normal. A couple of the other dogs acted goofy, but not like her. Gave them shredded wheat (they all love it) and they were ok. The vet bill was $600 but to me she is worth every penny. The vet said that the tube wormer is not always mixed to a homogenous mixture and Goldie must have got the line where the concentrate is. We missed a trial that I was looking forward too, but this ending was good. Now my question, what can I use for Heart worms? I can't afford the Heartgard for seven dogs. You all have been doing this for years and I trust your advice. Has anyone else ever had this happen? PS My supervisor told me stay home and take care of her, I have a great job. Happy Holidays to all!!

For heartworm I get 1% ivomec injectable, mix 1cc with 10 cc's of water, and give 1 cc of the mixture for every 10lbs of beagle. given once a month.

Thanks, I wasn't sure which Imovec to get. Somewhere I read that Imovec liquid is 0.05cc per 10lbs. Is this the same thing? I don't want to hurt any of them. I have seven dogs, four spoiled princess and three rescue dogs going from 20 to 85 lbs. I am still kind of new to this so I appreciate everyone's help.

This is what i use and havent had any problems, i also put into their ears for ear treatment if they have a problem in the ears!!

Ivomec (1% Ivermectin) for Cattle & Swine, 50ml

Should mention , so theres no confusion. Give it orally don't inject it

It is also very, very bitter. You might give the solution squirted onto a piece of bread or something you know they will eat, or squirt it into the mouth and offer the bread right after.

I will be the first to say I don't use Ivermectin, I spend bucks on Interceptor. It's expensive but it provides safe heartworm protection (even pregnant dams can take it) and gets hook, whip, and round worms, too. A dog could eat a whole 6-pack of Interceptor and it wouldn't hurt it. Not so with Ivermectin. If you decide to use it, remember that it's not really a product for dogs (if it were they would have a dog on the bottle, too) so be precise as the tolerance for overdose is small. All-at-once overdosing is not the only kind of overdosing, either. If they get a little too much each month, they will get a very slow poisoning over their lifetime.

I know most folks use it - vets will even endorse the use, but I'll always believe that the slow overdosing will eventually damage the kidneys and shorten the dog's life. That, and I've seen what it can do to a litter in utero when given during pregnancy. Just my $.02.

johns03272008 wrote:This is what i use and havent had any problems, i also put into their ears for ear treatment if they have a problem in the ears!!

Ivomec (1% Ivermectin) for Cattle & Swine, 50ml

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+1 thats what I use

Ivermectin is 1of the active ingredient in HeartGard, which is sold by Vets.

And the dose is accurately controlled in Heartguard, which was my biggest point about using it straight. Just be accurate. As bad as my eyes are, I wouldn't even want to think about drawing up 2.5 tenths of a cc in a tiny syringe.

Use a 1 cc syringe, makes it real easey to be accurate. I also find it easier to inject some dogs. I do it just like your giving them a vaccination shot(under the skin).Be sure to use around a 20 gage needle if it's to small it's hard to get the ivomec thru,I like 3/4" long. I use the same Ivomec as above picture, no more than .10cc/10lb.

steve w wrote:Use a 1 cc syringe, makes it real easey to be accurate. I also find it easier to inject some dogs. I do it just like your giving them a vaccination shot(under the skin).Be sure to use around a 20 gage needle if it's to small it's hard to get the ivomec thru,I like 3/4" long. I use the same Ivomec as above picture, no more than .10cc/10lb.

Its like you are throwing away money!!! have to be given orally on a dog ( dont know why )!! Ask a vet they will tell you the same thing!!

johns03272008 wrote:

steve w wrote:Use a 1 cc syringe, makes it real easey to be accurate. I also find it easier to inject some dogs. I do it just like your giving them a vaccination shot(under the skin).Be sure to use around a 20 gage needle if it's to small it's hard to get the ivomec thru,I like 3/4" long. I use the same Ivomec as above picture, no more than .10cc/10lb.

Its like you are throwing away money!!! have to be given orally on a dog ( dont know why )!! Ask a vet they will tell you the same thing!!

I will ask my vet next time I'm in, in the meantime I did look around on the internet and while I did not find anything saying absolutely no injecting for heartworm most say to give orally.Thanks for bringing it to my attention.I still like the 1cc syringe weather doing oral or injecting.

After I put the correct dose in the syringe, I put the syringe in some fruit drink or stale coke and fill the rest of the syringe up and then squirt into mouth..........Have also heard the Ivomec is bitter so I do that to lessen the brute taste.

You all have been just wonderful!! I know a lot more now then yesterday. Thanks. What is in the Interceptor and where do you get it? I have been doing the Imovectrin the first of the month and safegard for goats the 15th of every other month. Is this the normal schedule. Ocassionally I still evidence of worms. The vet said there was a worm that neither wormer would kill. Anyone heard about that? If so what is the cure? I try and keep them healthy. Thanks and Happy Turkey Day.

I got to go with Bev on this one. The dose of ivomec for a 25 lb dog is 68 micrigrams or 6 micrigrams per kilogram body weight. Since mg is a weight measure and ml is by volume it hard to convert unless you are a chemist or something wich i am not . The 1/10 per 10 lbs that every uses is to much according to my vet. there was a good post on espo board by Ace Club about this but I can"t find it. Maybe Bev can help. Vet also said the horse wormer is not mixed through out cause it is for a 1200lb horse.Just to put a dab on your finger you might get a shot of medicine and you might not. Tri heart plus is only about 18 dollars for a 6 month supply . I am not a vet but i wonder is the the reason we hear of so many dogs with kidney problems at a young age. By the way the tri heart also has pyrantel in it for other worms. Thanks  Mitch