The American Beagler Forum

would you say that there is more guys just paper breeding. instead of breeding the best to the best these days?

it probably leans that way, but really if you wanna breed thats the way to do it if your gonna sell pups, there are a lot of good studs out there

chapkosbeagles wrote:would you say that there is more guys just paper breeding. instead of breeding the best to the best these days?

I don't know, but wasn't it you that wanted to breed to FC's or IFC's just to be able to sell pups quicker... I'm sure I can find that post... I believe that post you made about that, goes along the lines of this post here!!!

Paper breeding is ok if your just wanting to be a pup factory and its about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. For me I really dont care about trying to make money because ill never make back what ive got into this hobby. It is a hobby for me. Now dont get me wrong i dont want to keep all the pups when i raise them but im not trying to make money either. With that being said, I think it takes both. A good ped that shows producers, hunt, brains, line control, the whole 9 yards and to watch the dog for atleast a few hunts to see if it has the traits your really looking for. I think breeding dogs is sometimes jumped in with both feet to fast. It is always a good thing to weigh all options.JMO thats what i try to do. Good luck on how and what you breed.

An old adage taught to me years ago [ pedigree, no matter how impressive without performance,is void of content ] in other words performance proves the pedigree, the pedigree does not prove performance.
We can have a pedigree filled with the names of F.C.'s,F.T.C.H.'s,I.F.C.'s and Grand Rabbit Champions which means that each of those hounds have reached a degree of success.That still does not guarantee a winner.The reason being is that each one of those hounds considered singularly may have been the only individual in his litter to excell,that being the case, this particular individual will breed and reproduce ability according to the average of his littermates.If his littermates were good performers you have a pedigree to work with.If his littermates were poor or non-performers you have a piece of paper with a lot of names on it.
THE PERFORMANCE OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND HIS LITTERMATES MUST PROVE THE PEDIGREE.

My .02

I want to look for all possiblities when breeding a female....not just what is local or in my own kennel (the easy way out). I want a stud that has been evaluated under many different judges, types of weather conditions, including faulty packmates. I ask....How did that dog perform? Does that add to my females abilities? Do the faults of the stud deminish what I am trying to accomplish? Etc....etc...etc....

Paper may not make or break the fact that I breed to a particular stud hound....however, by talking to judges and various people who have watched the hound or other hounds in its pedigree run I can get an idea if it is something I want to breed to. If I breed to ole' red in some guys back yard I am only going to get the owners word for it and possibly get to watch it run under ideal conditions. I would rather take my chances knowing a hound was campaigned and put in several unknowns, only to come out on top and finish for FC or IFC.

In my current case I do not wish to "fix" anything with my female....therefore I am looking to breed to the best dog I can. I know the best dog is not locally so I wish to expand my search and look for a "special" stud or linebreeding.....the problem is finding both in the same hound.

Thats what the majority of the people are doing now if they would just admit it.

I have always believed and practiced breeding two dogs that performed and complimented each other. I also believe that line breeding produces consistency. Therefore pedigrees or papers are also important. I think that performance and pedigree are equally important. However one of the best breedings that ever came out of two hounds that I owned came from an accidental breeding that I would have never in my life intentionally made. The male although well bred as papers go never started, although given lots of chances would not run a rabbit to save his life. The female also well bred on paper was so shy that she was useless in the field. The pups were some of the best or maybe the best I have ever raised. In fact had I not culled the male immediately after the breeding and the female just after weaning the pups I would have repeated the breeding. That shows how much I know and that no breeding no matter how carefully planned is not a given.

Most beaglers don't have a computer and wouldn't recognize any names that are mentioned on these beagle sites as champions or winners of trials as they don't trial.

Most only have a registered dog if they bought a good looking beagle at a trade day and when they started to walk away, the man said here's the papers as this dog is registered.

You forget about magazines John?

I think promoting certain bloodlines by some people set's the trend for alot of other people that read these post and get the fever for a certain dogs bloodline just going on what they have read. I know one board that the members are mostly field trialers and if any FC. dog is mentioned everyone gives it a thumbs up. I think this is done because of politics in field trialing today. There is a old saying, "The toes you step on today may be the same toes connected to the feet you may have to kiss tomorrow". Because people will not be honest about the faults of their field champions has caused misinformed people to rush out and breed to that dog they have heard so much good things about.

And it all goes back to the same thing we all know but not all of us actually practice......................

Go watch the dogs run for yourself and make your own judgement instead of just going off of what others say.

You're right Kenny,

They all take The American Beagler.

Started taking it after meeting Bev and while they still had stars in their eyes!!!!

Alabama John wrote:You're right Kenny,

They all take The American Beagler.

Started taking it after meeting Bev and while they still had stars in their eyes!!!!

Theres been magazines around for years, Hounds and hunting......Breeding better beagles .......Rabbit hunter.......I had some from the 60"s.....Long before The American Beagler.

None of those had the pin up owner like The American Beagler had.

Never knew a single beagler that took a magazine except those that trialed and wanted to read about registered winners, who made champion at trials and who was the big stud of the day. Sometimes it was a man and sometimes it was a dog.

I took a magazine too when I trialed AKC BRACE in the 50-60's.

ARHA changed a lot of it for the good, including magazines.