The American Beagler Forum

I hear the same story over and over again i dont run pkc because the money ruins the sport but what if little pack started running for money would you still feel the same way. Lets start a dicussion.

Never ran PKC myself but here is my following opinion

Money is the root of evil and if people think there is cheating now just add money to the formats and watch what happens, as of now i will stick with running my dogs for the music and chasing the beautiful ribbons!!! JMHO

I tend to disagree have seen many a man go to blows over trophies and with gas being at 4.00 a gal would much rather put 50.00 in my pocket then a ribbon. Its like anything else its how its policed. You should try PKC once. You have nothing to lose and you might like it. I am assuming John you run AKC. R u saying you would give that up if they brought money into the mix.

Give other things along with a printed certificate suitable for framing. Things like gas coupons, tee shirts stating they won, etc. Something useful!

I can agree with that.

I used to give out money and it just ant the same.These men down here wanted a trophy.They said money is gone and nothing to show for it.Got some that loves the trophy so much they put around there TV so they can look back that day and remember it.I understand about dust getting on it but as far as good fellowship and the remember of hound s and houndsmen that has past away.There something about that trophy that will bring it back.

Now as far as what I think about it.I don t know never had a trophy or money.I am always the one whos give it out.But what I have seen.TROPHY NICE TROPHY is what most want at fun trials.

I would think at licn trials and what I have read on here.POINTS is the only thing they want.I seen it 4 years ago down here.Some of them big cats walking around like when they went to the bathroom theres didnot stink.Didnot have a clue what fellowship was.ONLY POINTS.

I have been to probably 10 to 15 PKC events and haven't even seen an argument. Just my 2 cents worth.

Only thing i know for sure is when i was running little pack trophies would get left behind every hunt have a room full of them BUT nobody has told r club since we went to PKC we could keep the money. lol

toldyouso wrote:I tend to disagree have seen many a man go to blows over trophies and with gas being at 4.00 a gal would much rather put 50.00 in my pocket then a ribbon. Its like anything else its how its policed. You should try PKC once. You have nothing to lose and you might like it. I am assuming John you run AKC. R u saying you would give that up if they brought money into the mix.

i can also agree that i have seen many arguments over trials that had no money involved for winning and no i wouldnt stop trialing if they added money i just think that cheating may get out of hand on a big stage money hunt, in my opinion if the prize purse for say little pack world was $5000 for winning dog i find it hard to believe there wouldnt be cheating going on!! I have a dog that has 6 wins in PKC on him but i didnt own him at that time he has a total earning of $310 i believe is what i calculated but we dont have any PKC stuff near me that i know of, i would love to give it a try but im not all about the hound and hunter format due to being able to be out handled and out voted just the same as cheating in my opinion!! im sure i will get bashed for making that comment but its how i feel and my opinion!! If there was a club close to me with a PKC hunt i would probably try it out though just to see what its all about!

John you know what my wife says. As long as there r men competing against each other you will always have cheaters and i tend to agree with her. But dont tell her that. LOL

toldyouso wrote:John you know what my wife says. As long as there r men competing against each other you will always have cheaters and i tend to agree with her. But dont tell her that. LOL

Heck i heard the local bingo spot over here has cheating!! lol what is this world coming to!!!

Well guys I have very limited experience in the competition beagle world but I would like to comment here. I do have a fair amount of exposure in the coon dog competitions though. I've been to hunts in many states spanning about 10 or 12 years and varying from local clubs to national events and world hunts in AKC, UKC, and PKC. I have saw about every scenario imaginable happen at these events. The worst incident I ever saw was at a UKC club hunt and it involved a 30 year old man knocking a 65 year old man out cold and a third party pulled a knife! No money involved there, just good ole plastic trophy. I have saw some arguments at PKC events but nothing that even remotely compares to the level of fighting and cheating that went on at hunts of other formats. When you start hunting for money or legitimate prizes you see a couple of things. 1. The level of professionalism in handlers, judges, and back-up handlers all increase. I believe this is due to having a greater motivation to compete at a high level and the increased consequences of not performing at a high level. Handlers and back-ups know the rule book cover to cover as do the judges. I have witnessed handlers leave mad because they got "cheated" when in reality they just were not familiar enough with the rules and the other participants were. 2. There is a lot more to lose if you go off the rails and end up banned from PKC. That means you don't have the option to hunt for that $5,000 added next month or the truck hunt or whatever major event you're qualified for. Folks seem to state their case and bite their tongue. They may walk away mad but the do walk away.

With all that said the money motivator has to be a decent amount of money. In the coon dog world it is, and has been for quite some time, but take notice. The beagle game is gaining ground. The only down fall in my mind is if it ever gets close to the level the coon dogs are then you will definitely be paying a higher price to purchase a quality dog. Prior to PKC you could buy a solid coon hound around these parts for $1,000 to $1,500 all day long. That won't get you a started pup anymore. Makes me wonder what PKC will be awarding beagle winners and what we'll be paying for a good running dog in a decade or two.

To stay on topic, IMO if LP wants to stay relevant they better start looking at something different. The more PKC puts into their beagle program the farther behind ARHA is going to fall. Not happened yet, but it's coming. Sorry for the long post.

Very well said crow and i thank you for that input. Well there you have it fellows i do not think anything else needs to be said. Going to run dogs run em hard long and fast. Hell just run em. LOL

I like Kildow how ever i went to one i thought it Sucked.Ask Bobby Vest how he enjoyed it.

Guys want to cheat for trophys cant imagine puting money in the mix.