What would you pick to feed

[warddog]

Seems some want to put words in my mouth that I have never spoken nor have I implied any such things. I have never said that what I feed is a super food but rather what I did say is that ALL dry dog foods are made of the very same basic ingredients, formulations and that those basic ingredients when combined form the protein/ fat ratios of each specific brand of dry dog food. These basic ingredients are derived from animal, plant or grain sources in EVERY dry food on the market. The only difference is exactly what grain, seed and or vegetable sources they use in their formulations. The meat source comes from the SAME type things which are tissues that are unfit for human consumption or they would NOT be used in dog food ingredients as they are worth much more money for human consumption. The ingredient statements are listed in descending order of predominance and the number one ingredient will be the very first ingredient listed. Meat and or bone MEAL from what ever species, be it beef, chicken, pork, lamb or unidentified road kill is ALL the same, meaning MEAL is MEAL. It has been cooked at ultra high temperatures at a rendering plant to extract all the fat out of it and what is left is the ash or dry MEAL. Corn used in dry dog foods is no different than any other grain or seed be it sorghum, millet, rice etc. Ground or any grain or seed that has the outside hull broken will be more easily digested than those that are whole. This is why ruminate animals such as cows have four stomachs and chew a cud and why fowl have gizzards because they need to break open the hard shell to get to the inside of these grains and seeds so as to be able to digest them. You can call it Ray or you can call it Jay but the facts are it is all Rayjay once blended or mixed together in a nice little kibble.

So if we were to hypothetically compare two dry dog foods that are the same price and both met the AFFCO nutritional standards as a complete and balanced nutritional feed which of the two listed feeds below would folks choose to feed and why?

Let's say brand A has as the first several ingredients: beef MEAL, whole grain sorghum, chicken fat, whole grain millet, chicken MEAL, pork MEAL, Alfalfa MEAL, flax seed...

Brand B has the first several ingredients as: Porcine MEAT and bone MEAL, ground yellow corn, corn gluten feed, chicken fat, beet pulp, chicken by-product MEAL, ground brewers rice, natural chicken flavors, fish MEAL....

OR would there be no preference?

[Casey Harner]

Victor is what I will feed for a long time unless I find something better.

[likeemfast]

There has been no point in time more than now when this could possibly be more appropriate ...............................

[HillBeagles]

Victor or whatever tickles my panties at the time

[warddog]

Victor is what I will feed for a long time unless I find something better.

What would make something better?

[gwyoung]

Wardog, Don't take this as criticism but, Those of who understood what you were saying on the other thread , understand what you are saying on this one, Those who did not get your point on the other thread are going to miss it on this one as well! It seems Most choose their dog food by what others say ( instead of what their hounds are telling them) by what is handy, by what is cheap, and by which Company will give them a hat! Some like the novelty of things and will feed something because not a lot of others are feeding it ,( I know several folks who wouldn't own a 30-06 to hunt with because everyone else has one, some folks are the same with feed) Some folks will feed a food because of it's high price only, that's a fact! Most folks couldn't look at their hounds, under all circumstances and tell you what a good feed is, that is why they ask their buddy, or is it because they have tried several and they all seem pretty much the same,. ( I know you liked that comment) What most of us are feeding, there are three dozen or so foods on the market that will do just the same, ( I don't need to hear from someone about THEIR dogs and how I never fed them , unless you have developed your one strain of BEAGLE for the past two hundred years and it is not really related to any other beagles out there! and therefore their requirements are VASTLY different, I understand the occasional one is a hard keeper but overall...) I like Purina because I feel safe with it but I feed 90% raw. What most feed their hounds has nothing to do with the hounds, It is about a Ford, or a Chevy, it is about people not dogs! Take Victor, Purina, Diamond, Pride, ETc; change the looks of the Kibble and call it ole Roy and the former lovers will now hate it, guarantee you, it's not about the food with most! In your scenario , would anyone of those brands be giving me a hat, If so I will take that one and it will be the best feed I ever fed that is about all it takes to make a great food !

[Double E Kennels]

Purina Dog chow is the best I have ever fed. Well balanced. Those high protein dog feeds can burn your dogs kidneys up if you do not run them a lot while on them. As I was told by a good friend of mine Mel Faust years ago. You Dont FEED stamina you BREED it !! Believe me there have never been more true words spoken. While Running my Mack and Lightning males in AKC large pack trials I have seen a lot of hounds walk out amd quit and there owners wearing , diamond , comet , pride and other high protein , high dollar brands jackets and my hound still in the trial driving hard after 5 hours and collecting Blue ribbons. Guess Mel's point was proven ... Do if someone had to feed high protein dog food maybe they should consider changing what they keep in their kennels ... Just my opinion .

[Casey Harner]

Victor is what I will feed for a long time unless I find something better.

What would make something better?

I don't know at this time. Something closer I guess. I personal rather travel for good food. I will be traveling about the same time and distance as I do now.

[BB Beagles]

Wardog, I can tell your a rabbit hunter, cause you just pulled a sweet little backtrack! Trying to get out of that old thread and trying turn it around by asking what would you pick to feed. LOL!!!
I'll tell ya what I dont pick, but CHOOSE to feed, and its what I base my hounds performance, stamina, looks, energy level, coat, and its still VICTOR!!!!
In your brand A and B, Brand A was most of ingredients of what is in Victor and Brand B is most of what is in sportmix. I believe Likemfast hit it on the head when he guessed you fed that because you seem to wanna keep that a secret! A man of your scientific knowledge should tell us what you feed and why, but instead all ya keep doing is defending yourself by telling everybody how Victor is the same as other brands.
You talk about corn again, corn not only a filler, but corn will spike your bloodsugar as well as gluten giving the result of having more energy and taking place of the protein in dry feeds. Sorghum will not spike the blood sugar level.
EXAMPLE:::You go out rabbit hunting and eat a breakfast of sausage, eggs, bacon ,fried taters, glass orange juice and cup of coffee. Hunt 5-6 hrs. Next day do the same thing but just eat a snickers bar and a pop before you go. Youll feel the same for first couple hrs then youll crash fast.

Another thing, ya we comprehend what your saying in your post. Its not a fad, and Im not a raccoon so the lil shiny treenkits ( hats, jackets, patches ) do not make me want to grab it nor does anybody tell me what to and not to feed my hounds and they never will.
Ive said it many times on here I like Victor and will continue to feed it until something changes with it.
Las you asked "what would make it better?" Only thing nI can think of, if it was free. LOL!!!

[S.R.Patch]

BB, I can tell you, you are a 100% wrong about Warddog.
He used to come down and get a pallet or two of The Pride, I have met him and he not one to go into things with out doing his research.
You boys and your pack mentality only show your youth, but it does keep the board an ongoing soap opera... free entertainment...

I was given a bag of the victor and a box of mixed samples to try on a couple hounds, they did like the one with the fish in it, of course it was the most expensive of the lot, can't say they don't have good taste... ... jmho but, I couldn't see the advantage to justify the cost, but I do agree with Casey's idea of making it better,...free is good...

[BB Beagles]

SR Patch, you need reread the post. Likem fast said he bet it was sport mix and and agreed with his guess. BUT thank you for spilling the beans on what WARDOG feeds! Lol!!
Plus WARDOG asked Casey "what would make it better". I stated only thing I could think if if it was free.
I get a kick out of it with y'all pull out the youth card! Ganging up running with your pack mentality. Lol!

All I'm trying to get across is if a man thinks all food is the same, let em. For the ones who feed a better dry feed that may cost lil more so be it. But don't go bashing one particular brand.

[Casey Harner]

I got tons of respect for Warddog. We pm each other a lot. Good guy, knows his stuff. I listen when he speaks.


Never thought this post would get this much attention.

[S.R.Patch]

ok Sherlock, but you need to read what I said also. "Warddog used to come down", that was over a yr ago.
No beans spillt here... ... you'll have to get Ken to tell ya. He told me one time in a pm, but honestly, I can't remember the brand cause it aint sold around here so I never considered it.

I've tried a number of different brands, what I've found is, they all make a premium food all the way down to some I used for catfish food that was no good for hounds(cheap bottom of the line), It mostly involved what was in the food and the quality, the better cost more.
I never took it that warddog was bashing any food, I myself have found the 24/20 of the sportmix to be better than the 24/20 of the pride, but some will disagree their hound do better on the opposite, that's ok, maybe it's true for their hounds.
We've all experienced how dog foods change over time,... the recipes,... new owners,... cost of ingredients. As with most things, a BIG manufacturer can get a better deal on volume ingredients than a smaller, so like wallmart, can produce at lower price or better quality for same price as what you pay for others.

Again, I don't feel there was any "brand bashing",... only quality vers, cost. jmho

[warddog]

Never ever have I bashed a feed or an individual like some on here have. I never bashed Ilikeemfast nor BB beagles although I have been called a pizza server and some have tried to belittle. Boys I may have done that way back when my face was full of pimples but I have aged LONG past the days of even working let alone serving pizzas. I will say that I agree with what gwyoung stated and took no offense to what he has said and he is right that if they didn't get it then they won't get it in any other post. YES, that is exactly what the industry preys on as they make their bigger profits from those following the beautiful music like cattle being led to slaughter after fattening up on some nice HIGH content GRAIN feed. I take no offense that some of you THINK that a dry dog food composed of the basic very same ingredients makes it much better than another BUT if you feed raw, THAT is a difference. I will say that when you feed raw and someone asks "Where's the BEEF or MEAT" component you can actually show them a piece of REAL FLESH. Someone asked a question in one of these threads as to what was the meat component of a specific feed and what I saw was someone else post the website to check out the ingredient statements of their feed. WELL, when doing so, of ALL their different protein/fat ratios what did I find, NO MEAT but rather MEAT/BONE MEAL mixed in with some kind of seed/grain and or vegetables. Seems only logical to me if ALL dry feeds are composed of ingredients that have lost every means of their identity in the process of manufacture, to the point that they are ALL broken down to meal then where is the MEAT for these carnivores to eat? Again gwyoung is correct in what he basically stated, I am wasting my breath for those who elect to stick their heads in the sand because if they haven't got it by now they will never get it. The industry LOVES folks being blindly led into shelling out more of their hard earned money be it for water or grain hidden as being something it isn't.......................................MEAT! The END.

[bluemouse]

Very interesting subject but answer this question how come all these foods formulated a like cause some skin problems and others do not. Its like making a cocktail some like more whiskey than water and some like more water that whiskey, the only difference is one will make you walk funny faster.