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My 7mth old male beagle is running deer I have shocked him. What else can I do to break him of it?

I'm not a sales rep for either co so I won't post about what one is better but the new gps tracker trainer systems have made trash fixing a lot easier . if you know your hunting area or have one with the topo maps it's not that hard to figure out were the rabbits are . if the dog is straight lining out of rabbit habitat you will see on screen , and though they don't have the range that it sez on the package when you buy them they reach out pretty far. my best advice when it comes to trash is not to mess with tone or vibrate just give them as much electricity you got all the way back to you. most the shock collars on the market don't have enough range for trash breaking that is half the trouble

just stay as close as possible to know what your dog is doing .. shock the fire out of him when he runs off game ....most dogs it wont take no more than 2 or 3 times. .

I just went thru this with 2 dogs. I put them right on deer on purpose and fried the the hell out of them. 3 times and they don't run deer anymore.

Dusty, There is somewhat more involved in breaking hounds but it seems about all hit on something important, Shock them on the highest setting you have and shock them until they can't stand and then shock them a little more, be far enough away from them that you get ample opportunity to do so and hide so they can't find you while you are doing so. If any are going to hit them on low once or twice, throw the e-collar away it is just extra weight and you don't know how to use it!

I have the ideal setup where I have an open field surrounded by woods with a pond right out my back door and my house is right in the middle of it all. When I have one that needs broke I wait until I see a deer or several in the field, then go collar up the dog as I was going to go hunting. I lead them to the field and cut them loose a distance away from where I saw the deer, again as we were in a rabbit hunting situation. I mosey towards the direction of the deer and allow the dog to hunt with out saying a word and when it opens up on the deer I shock the dog on HIGH and as long as it takes for it to get away from that track and hopefully back to me. Sometimes they do not come right back to me and after awhile may go back to hunting. I know where the deer travel on my property so if they still want to hunt I mosey towards that area to see how the dog reacts and if it opens on the deer again it gets another dose of high heat. Most generally after the first shock they are not so apt to continue hunting so they do not get the second dose so close together and go back to the pen. I do try to get them on a rabbit to run ASAP after being shocked on deer but sometimes that is hard to do as the rabbits on my place are few and far between so they have to wait until I can take them to a spot with more rabbits available.

There is a field by my house that has deer in it every evening. You guys think i should turn him lose when I see deer out in the field ? And then shock him.

Nope!

Get an older dog to run with the pup, put bells on them, and keep a close eye. You don't need a gps/shocking system. When your pup hammers a deer let the pup run it for a bit, crank the number on high, and then hold down the shocking button till the pup returns to your feet.

I let my pups run any game they are interested in, that's why they were born. What if your parents shocked you until you pissed every time you messed up as a youth. The best way is let them learn that its more fun to run a rabbit than a deer. Being left out alone a couple night will do much more good. Reward is a much better teaching tool than punishment for both people and beagles. Get too hard on a pup and soon be culling him out for being shy and or hard to handle. E collars can be wonderful tools if used to train a pup to return to you and to reinforce positive behavior. Most hunters are sadistic and just love to push the button so they can brag how they broke a hound from deer. Let the hound break himself. I train four pups per year and have not shocked one in seven years, tone is the worst they get, just to remind them where I am and to divert there attention.

lowell robertson wrote:I let my pups run any game they are interested in, that's why they were born. What if your parents shocked you until you pissed every time you messed up as a youth. The best way is let them learn that its more fun to run a rabbit than a deer. Being left out alone a couple night will do much more good. Reward is a much better teaching tool than punishment for both people and beagles. Get too hard on a pup and soon be culling him out for being shy and or hard to handle. E collars can be wonderful tools if used to train a pup to return to you and to reinforce positive behavior. Most hunters are sadistic and just love to push the button so they can brag how they broke a hound from deer. Let the hound break himself. I train four pups per year and have not shocked one in seven years, tone is the worst they get, just to remind them where I am and to divert there attention.

how do you get the tone to work without ever shocking them?

" Most hunters are sadistic" On behalf of anti- hunters everywhere , thank you Lowell, I will not comment on the rest of your post, it's not necessary!

To Lowell's credit letting one run deer until he can't walk will help break them.

If the 7 month old is already running rabbits. I would walk him to where I saw the deer and act dumb. Don't encourage the pup to take the deer tracks. If he starts the deer tracks and it is obvious use the ecollar until he quits and is returning. Pet him on the head when he gets back. Then go get him on a rabbit track as quick as possible. Repeat several nights later.
If the pup is not running rabbits already I would try to keep it away from off game. I always thought the more rabbits you can get them on with clean dogs the easier your job will be.

Easy, use very light shocks in the yard preceded by tone, no pup is ready to go to the field until it handles properly and knows basic commands. It needs to know what you expect of it. Sorry, not all are sadistic, just the ones who like to do it to prove how macho they are. Truth is, training pups requires time, patience, and a reasonable mind set. Enough said as I am sure that I don't have the vast experience needed to state an opinion on this board.