STUD DOGS

[billy boy]

when the stud dog owners advertise their hounds, seems like all they talk about is the studs accomplishments. i don't know about everyone else but i'm way more interested in his offspring and what they have accomplished, especially out of different females. all sounds good but you're not buying the stud just what he can reproduce. some great dogs are not great reproducers and some average, untitled dogs are great reproducers.

[Casey Harner]

True, that's why you always need to a take a quality bitch to them.

[Show Me Kennels]

T

[Shady Grove Beagles]

If you want to breed and you've got the itch........just remember it starts with the bitch!
I'm sure many don't agree but i believe that the foundation of any breeding program is only as strong as the females in it.
I can find a superior male to breed to much easier than I can find a superior female to raise the litter.
Always keep in mind that a stud's field trial winnings/titles are not heriditary.History is full of outstanding performers that that were not outstanding reproducers.
Even with the best mares in the world brought to them,to my knowledge no Kentucky Derby winner has ever produced a Kentucky Derby winner.
As always JMHO.

[NeilKimbrel7]

If you want to breed and you've got the itch........just remember it starts with the bitch!
I'm sure many don't agree but i believe that the foundation of any breeding program is only as strong as the females in it.
I can find a superior male to breed to much easier than I can find a superior female to raise the litter.
Always keep in mind that a stud's field trial winnings/titles are not heriditary.History is full of outstanding performers that that were not outstanding reproducers.
Even with the best mares in the world brought to them,to my knowledge no Kentucky Derby winner has ever produced a Kentucky Derby winner.
As always JMHO.

I never have figured out how 4 out of 5 people seem to prefer females over males, yet many of the same people say it's easier to find a good stud dog than it is to find a good female.

[fulcount]

What is considered a superior male , His field trial record?
No matter what that so called superior male has produced as far as field trial dogs go
will he cross with the bloodline you are working with for gun dogs?

[Rabbit/Hareman123]

If you want to breed and you've got the itch........just remember it starts with the bitch!
I'm sure many don't agree but i believe that the foundation of any breeding program is only as strong as the females in it.
I can find a superior male to breed to much easier than I can find a superior female to raise the litter.
Always keep in mind that a stud's field trial winnings/titles are not heriditary.History is full of outstanding performers that that were not outstanding reproducers.
Even with the best mares in the world brought to them,to my knowledge no Kentucky Derby winner has ever produced a Kentucky Derby winner.
As always JMHO.

I never have figured out how 4 out of 5 people seem to prefer females over males, yet many of the same people say it's easier to find a good stud dog than it is to find a good female.

AMEN

[bfoster]

when the stud dog owners advertise their hounds, seems like all they talk about is the studs accomplishments. i don't know about everyone else but i'm way more interested in his offspring and what they have accomplished, especially out of different females. all sounds good but you're not buying the stud just what he can reproduce. some great dogs are not great reproducers and some average, untitled dogs are great reproducers.

You should be thanking the Stud hound owners for allowing you to even breed to their hound much less taking your phone call and answering your questions. The hourly rate a stud hound owner makes for his trouble is pennies on the dollar, so don't throw the money crap out at me cause it don't add up.

Being a stud hound owner is and can be a pain in the... people are always trying to tear the hound down to bring their own worthless crap up.

If you want to breed to the hound then do it. The Stud hound owner has done enough by simply letting you breed to his hound. He doesn't need to keep records on the offspring just to please you. The homework is on you.

[billy boy]

wasn't intended to ruffle any ones feathers , personally titles don't mean alot to me. alot of rabbit hunters would not want some trail dogs to pleasure hunt with.
you are exactly right the owner of the female needs to do his home work, have a female worth breeding and don't get caught up in alot of hype in advertising.
some people just breed titles and sell pups and others are serious breeders, as you probably already guessed I'm neither. believe in breeding the best to best and cull the rest, it also might help with some family breeding. if there was alot of culling going on then it might be easier to get a better rabbit dog. JMO

[LightningBeagles]

when the stud dog owners advertise their hounds, seems like all they talk about is the studs accomplishments. i don't know about everyone else but i'm way more interested in his offspring and what they have accomplished, especially out of different females. all sounds good but you're not buying the stud just what he can reproduce. some great dogs are not great reproducers and some average, untitled dogs are great reproducers.

You should be thanking the Stud hound owners for allowing you to even breed to their hound much less taking your phone call and answering your questions. The hourly rate a stud hound owner makes for his trouble is pennies on the dollar, so don't throw the money crap out at me cause it don't add up.

Being a stud hound owner is and can be a pain in the... people are always trying to tear the hound down to bring their own worthless crap up.

If you want to breed to the hound then do it. The Stud hound owner has done enough by simply letting you breed to his hound. He doesn't need to keep records on the offspring just to please you. The homework is on you.

Agree 100%. If I had a dollar for all the tire kickers and dreamers out their, I wouldn't even charge a stud fee. People want to call and tell you every hunting story and this and that from the past 50 years and so on. Believe me I like talking dogs, but with raising a family , a new born baby. 10+ dogs of my own to tend to it takes up a lot of time. Most all of the people that I've dealt with we're great. It takes two in breeding. How many times has a stud owner said , bring your female and let me see it run before I'll breed to it. I have and turned down multiple females. I'm not in it for the money or the popularity contest. Jmo

[Casey Harner]

If you want to breed and you've got the itch........just remember it starts with the bitch!
I'm sure many don't agree but i believe that the foundation of any breeding program is only as strong as the females in it.
I can find a superior male to breed to much easier than I can find a superior female to raise the litter.
Always keep in mind that a stud's field trial winnings/titles are not heriditary.History is full of outstanding performers that that were not outstanding reproducers.
Even with the best mares in the world brought to them,to my knowledge no Kentucky Derby winner has ever produced a Kentucky Derby winner.
As always JMHO.

I never have figured out how 4 out of 5 people seem to prefer females over males, yet many of the same people say it's easier to find a good stud dog than it is to find a good female.

Stop bragging Neil, no need for you to look for a good stud dog, youv'e got Kane. I like females better just due to the fact they don't like to pee everywhere. Seem to get down to business quicker and I've had better females than males. Seems like they are quickly to mature faster as well.

[billy boy]

i think the guy who said me wants to see the bitch run before he breeds has a good idea. maybe that will help stop some people from breeding worthless bitches and then try to blame it all on the stud when they're disappointed in their pups. to me it aint just about the money spent on breeding, it also also takes time and money to raise a litter of pups if done right. why would anyone pay for bruc. tests stud fee without breeding 2 quality hounds then it's still a gamble unless it's already a proven cross.

[outrider66]

i think the guy who said me wants to see the bitch run before he breeds has a good idea. maybe that will help stop some people from breeding worthless bitches and then try to blame it all on the stud when they're disappointed in their pups. to me it aint just about the money spent on breeding, it also also takes time and money to raise a litter of pups if done right. why would anyone pay for bruc. tests stud fee without breeding 2 quality hounds then it's still a gamble unless it's already a proven cross.

Who can look at a 6 gen pedigree and say there wasnt worthless bitches or junk studs in it ???? unless they hunted with all 154
ancesters! Were there dogs that didnt hunt,didnt handle, poor nose ,poor mouth, ran junk ect,ect,ect WHO KNOWS! Breeding
your best is best but its still a gamble ! and a plain old rabbit dog might throw better than the best FC out there ! WHO KNOWS !!!
I personaly havnt made alot of crosses but did make a drive to show my female in the field with the stud i used. Any one else doing that for those who must see your bitch????????(ANYONE??) It wasnt a demand for me but i wanted the stud owner to know my bitch could run a
rabbit!!!!!!! she came in heat a week later and i made the trip again ! lol IMO getting pups into the hands of someone who is going
to put the ground time into them is harder than producing a pup that can make a goodin!JMO

[gpen08]

I ran the female I wanted to be bred with Shooters Page 2 several times with him before the breeding occurred. We wanted to see them run together so we could be absolutely sure they complemented each other well. We are excited about what the future will hold for this cross. I will say that it was only a two hour drive for me so distance wasn't an issue.

[outrider66]

Thats what you need to see (like characteristics) and if they compliment each other. so you know what to expect out of the
offsring. its worth the drive !