Tomorrow NOON

[Bev]

Get your signs made up fellers and gals, and be at your state capitals tomorrow at noon.

http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/01/47-states ... n-control/

[bbg]

DONE! and i appreciate you using the board to get the word out

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

I don't think I have disagreed with anything you have said on here BEV in about 5years of being on here...

The government is not trying to take away your guns.. We are trying to stop the mass murder of innocent people in a responsible way.. Not letting any legislation will be the downfall of all gun owners. Eventually they will out right ban them. If we concede the right to have tighter restrictions on felons owning them and the very very minor things they are asking and in return ask for more money for mental health and giving the atf the ability to actually to do its job then we may put an end to the THOUSANDS who die every year from gun shots.

I am all for having the 2nd amendment but its hard to argue why a felon can buy a private gun from someone and get away with it and why we need 50 round clips. Its not like the government could be stopped right now even if it was tyrannical. The republicans are trying to get their base in a frenzy over something so stupid. Obama isn't a socialist, he isn't coming for your guns, he is trying to solve a problem... He is the rightfully and lawfully ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. More than 60 percent of our population agrees with the simple measures he is proposing and I have no problem with them.

I need only a few bullets to protect my family.

We need to stop glorifying criminals and giving them life in prison rather than execution after a VERY VERY speedy trial.. And stop making video games who's sole purpose is to see how much devistation they can cause.

[new kid on the block]

I'm a felon. Got into to trouble when I was 19. I'm 40 now and a Christian. I don't just go to church I really try to live by the bible. I don't like the fact that I can't have a gun,because to me it's saying you don't have the right to protect your home because of your past. People who's doing the killing don't even have records. Everybody who's a felon won't change,but some will. If it comes down to me having to protect my family,I will do just that. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. Every man has a right to protect his family. Doesn't matter what road you've traveled. Every man has a right to protect what's his.

[BM Orchard]

If everyone followed the law then laws would work! Bad people do bad things! No matter what law is in place criminals will find a way around it! From the beginning of time evil found its way in! Gun restrictions of any kind will only affect the law abiding citizens that wouldn't commit crimes of this nature anyway! Our government has turned it's back on GOD & until his return things of this nature will occur due to evil! "Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever! Amen"

[lebro]

the gov. already has restrictions, no automatics and im not allowed to own my own missile station. enforce the laws on the books and there will be no need for any more. it also amazes me people can be so easily deceived especially educated people. study the history of countries that have gun control and see if that is where you want to live. freedom is what it is all about and that is what they are trying to take away.the lord giveth and the lord taketh away. who does this man think he is.

[Swamper AR]

I don't think I have disagreed with anything you have said on here BEV in about 5years of being on here...

The government is not trying to take away your guns.. We are trying to stop the mass murder of innocent people in a responsible way.. Not letting any legislation will be the downfall of all gun owners. Eventually they will out right ban them. If we concede the right to have tighter restrictions on felons owning them and the very very minor things they are asking and in return ask for more money for mental health and giving the atf the ability to actually to do its job then we may put an end to the THOUSANDS who die every year from gun shots.

I am all for having the 2nd amendment but its hard to argue why a felon can buy a private gun from someone and get away with it and why we need 50 round clips. Its not like the government could be stopped right now even if it was tyrannical. The republicans are trying to get their base in a frenzy over something so stupid. Obama isn't a socialist, he isn't coming for your guns, he is trying to solve a problem... He is the rightfully and lawfully ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. More than 60 percent of our population agrees with the simple measures he is proposing and I have no problem with them.

I need only a few bullets to protect my family.

We need to stop glorifying criminals and giving them life in prison rather than execution after a VERY VERY speedy trial.. And stop making video games who's sole purpose is to see how much devistation they can cause.

That's exactly what Obama wants you to believe. Any actions against guns will not help the situation. It is not the solution and it has been proven by stats from a prior ban. All this is just an excuse to take away more rights of Americans and attack the constitution. Next they will go after all guns unless we nip this right away.

[Bev]

I don't think I have disagreed with anything you have said on here BEV in about 5years of being on here...

The government is not trying to take away your guns..

Yes they are. They are simply trying to convince us that there's a good, humanitarian reason for taking them away in increments, and people like you are swallowing it hook, line and sinker.

We are trying to stop the mass murder of innocent people in a responsible way..

So are the Pro-life people, but they get the scorn of your party all the time. And talk about A Party getting people in a frenzy, let one politician criticize your party's golden cow, Roe vs. Wade, and you Democrats screech like howler monkeys that Republicans are going after Vagina Control. You will destroy a man's career over his right to believe differently.

Not letting any legislation will be the downfall of all gun owners. Eventually they will out right ban them. If we concede the right to have tighter restrictions on felons owning them and the very very minor things they are asking and in return ask for more money for mental health and giving the atf the ability to actually to do its job then we may put an end to the THOUSANDS who die every year from gun shots.

We already have tons of legislation on guns. And there's no such thing as tighter restrictions on felons owning guns. If you're a felon, you can't own one. Even all you vicious bad check writers. There are 300 million guns out there (estimated). How are you going to catch felons selling guns to felons? Because that's where most of the problems are. But most gun owners don't disagree with background checks, but there should never, ever be a federal database. See NDAA. Most importantly, there is no need to trade rights to get help for the insane. One does not pay for the other. I'm not falling for that trick. Treat the sick, and stay the hel out of my gun closet. No trade; no deal. "Concede" is not part of my gun vocabulary.

I am all for having the 2nd amendment but its hard to argue why a felon can buy a private gun from someone and get away with it and why we need 50 round clips. Its not like the government could be stopped right now even if it was tyrannical. The republicans are trying to get their base in a frenzy over something so stupid. Obama isn't a socialist, he isn't coming for your guns, he is trying to solve a problem... He is the rightfully and lawfully ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. More than 60 percent of our population agrees with the simple measures he is proposing and I have no problem with them.

Did you know that 90% of statistics are made up on the spot? Quote your sources on that 60%. I don't believe it. I think I addressed your objections to felons being able to obtain guns in the paragraph above. As far as the 2nd Amendment, I don't find anything stupid or trivial about it. I don't believe it needs to be revised or reinterpreted. "shall not be infringed" is very clear to me. Limiting which arms I can own, how many loads I can own ... is INFRINGMENT. Period. What part of that is so hard to understand? Next thing you know, there will be a limit on the size of soft drinks we can buy. Oh wait.

Because Obama is our sitting President doesn't mean squat to me. YOU elected the man who stripped us of due process, not I. And why do you feel like Presidents can't be wrong? Why do you feel that a majority must be right? Neither are true. But, you can fall on your knees facing DC all you want; we Republicans will continue to do the heavy lifting in preserving your right to do so. Obama is indeed a socialist, a statist; he was raised and taught by the best of them, and he needs to be rightfully and lawfully impeached for treason, derelict of duty, and criminal negligent homicide ... for Benghazi alone. When do you make the determination that you are falling under a tyranny - when it's too late? Things can change in an hour.

I need only a few bullets to protect my family.

You'd better pray that's there's only one intruder at a time, then.

We need to stop glorifying criminals and giving them life in prison rather than execution after a VERY VERY speedy trial.. And stop making video games who's sole purpose is to see how much devistation they can cause.

I grew up watching Stooge abuse, yet somehow I got through life without sticking a crowbar up anyone's nose and dragging them across the room. We need to start raising our kids again. These days, when a kid is old enough to wipe his own butt and make a bowl of cereal, parents think they're done. And if they misbehave, surely there's a pharmaceutical for that.

Mo Beagler 5000, you can disagree with me all you want, but you'll never change my mind. Even with a dozen rolly-eyed emoticons.

[joe kaschak]

There are a couple of youtube videos on the better beagling site betterbeagling.com that you should look at. One of them is some of the debate in Albany N.Y. on the gun control measures just passed. The one representative asks another why the magazine restriction to 7 shots? What if more than one intruder breaks into your home? The answer? change the clip (which only takes a second or so, by the way). The answer to the WHY question? WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE LIVES. A shooter, intent on killing as many as possible, can also JUST CHANGE THE CLIP.. What we need are responsible solutions that work not the (I want proposals on my desk in 2 weeks) route being taken. Knee-jerk reactions do more harm than good. As far as gun control, that only limits what responsible, law-abiding citizens have to obey. There is a "black market for everything in this world. If it is made, manufactured, mined, etc or if it CAN be, you can get it if you want it and are willing to pay for it. Laws do not stop crime or killing or even the sale of implement of crime. Enforce what is on the books already and hope that harsh enough penalties will deter those inclined to commit these crimes.

[Dale Pea]

I just wonder whats coming next? I am thinking that they should ban cars because drunk people drive them, the results are innocent people are killed. Isn't that the same thing as banning guns because stupid people shoot them and people get killed?

[Bunnyblaster]

MO, I am very disappointed in your thoughts on the gun control issue. Giving up a little here and a little there only leads down one road. How long before they limit how much ammo you are allowed to keep at any one time??

[baj]

The 2nd Amendment was added to the Constitution so that the American people of this wonderful country could take up arms against it's own government if it tried to take away any of our RIGHTS and FREEDONS that are guaranteed in the Constitution. Just a little History lesson ------When the Constitution was first written not all of the delegates would sign this Constitution because it did not guarantee any of the rights and freedoms that our ancestors fought and died for, there for the Bill Of Rights (first 10 Amendments) was added to the Constitution and then all delegates signed this Constitution. Which is the framwork of our National Government. Hopefully always "of the people, by the people and for the people."

[pilotknob]

Let it rip Bev,not much I can add to that except assault wepons were baned in 1939 everything out there that is called an assault wepon is just a semi-automatic made to look like one.And when the Gun Ban left start talking about the pro Gun lobby they are talking about gun owners.An outright seizure of guns is their agenda they would do it all at once if they could but piece meal legislation is the next best thing the goal is the same.Obama is a Marxest all you have to do is read his book his mentors and teachers he had the most respect for were card carrying communists with a few black muslums thrown in for good measure.

[adirondackjoe]

Mo Beagler. this is not gonna make me very popular on this site but i'm on your side. i agree with all you said and thought you stated your case well, i couldn't have said it better myself. that being said, you sure did take a beating on this board for your opinion.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

Bev--- I have several things I want to address with you.... please hear me out before getting upset or angry..

1. I am not a democrat.... NOT EVEN CLOSE.. I only vote for them when the republicans act like whiny babies because they lost.. Fox news is insufferable and their hypocrisy gets shown literally EVERY SINGLE DAY...Its so funny when they show before and after videos of their pundits saying one thing and then when a dem does it, saying the exact opposite.. They even go in public and tell people they won the house by gerrymandering and tried to win the presidency by refusing suffrage to elderly and poor people who don't have id's even though there hasn't been ONE credible case of voter id fraud in the past 30 years.

2. I don't care one way or another about Roe V. Wade but I think if your against the best thing to do is convince people not to have abortions and make the law obsolete..

3. I find it HIGHLY HIGHLY offensive for you to quip about me making things up.. Here is the REPUBLICAN version of the support of the things Obama is proposing. http://fox4kc.com/2013/01/14/poll-gun-c ... s-support/ For a non partisan view go to Nate Silver's site and if you average in everything Obama is proposing it averages to right over 60 percent. Some things are more than 80 percent and some are around 40 but the average support is 60 percent.. You can have your opinions but you do not get your own set of facts.

4. Yes, posting pictures of suffering people will stir up emotional support for your cause.. I don't happen to have pictures of 20 blown off children's heads from Sandy hook to show you or any other of the 50,000 plus victims of a firearm per year either to help my cause. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violen ... ted_States. I suppose your right to have a 100rd banana clip is more important than those kids. I do know that if the government really wanted your guns, they could take them.. Really, they could.... Or the supreme court could have upheld limitations to the 2nd amendment and chipped away at them BUT THEY DIDN'T they upheld it.. And consistently do so..

5, Yes, comparing the stooges is CLEARLY like playing first person shooters where you can literally rape and watch people who look pretty realistic get blown away by the thousands for no reason. Or watching BRUTAL murders on tv from age 2 to 20. That kind of stuff has an effect on people that didn't happen with Ozzie and Harriet. Your argument that this is comparing apples to apples is ludicrous.

ps. thank you for running the board, you do a great job but on this subject you are on the wrong side of history.