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cant/wont
Even though I cant/wont support PAWS. It is too easy to change a bill after its passed without it being known about until its too late.
Good dogs, Good races, must be heaven. John Massie
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Here is a part of the bill that will get alot of beaglers seeming Some good lines come from Canada
which sells any dogs imported from outside the United States'
So if you buy a dog from someone in Canada the dog doesn't suit your needs or doesn't turn out for you speed then you sell it The bill gets you Pay the liscensing fee and be on the list.
which sells any dogs imported from outside the United States'
So if you buy a dog from someone in Canada the dog doesn't suit your needs or doesn't turn out for you speed then you sell it The bill gets you Pay the liscensing fee and be on the list.
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Re: cant/wont
LMAO........This is what is so funny!!! ITS ALREADY A BILL, this is just another amendment. It has been a bill since 1966bootlegger wrote:Even though I cant/wont support PAWS. It is too easy to change a bill after its passed without it being known about until its too late.
It was amended in 1970, 1976, 1985 and 1990.Some people can make a nuclear bomb out of a fart
If you're not happy...............vote out all these educated fools that act like asses or elephants that you all continue to vote into office
I think some people are pissed off because there is a number on the dogs you can breed....too bad, if you're a big breeder then you're a dealer. Get a license and pay your dues like the rest do.
Just my 2 cents worth.........
Back to my hole.
Randy
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The 1966 Version
Public Law 89-544 Act of August 24, 1966
89th Congress, H. R. 13881
August 24, 1966
An Act
Note: In this HTML version of the Act, brackets, [ ], indicate notes found in the corresponding margin of the hardcopy document.
To authorize the Secretary of Agriculture to regulate the transportation, sale, and handling of dogs, cats, and certain other animals intended to be used for purposes of research or experimentation, and for other purposes.
[Dogs, cats, and other animals intended for research or expermental use.] Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. That, in order to protect the owners of dogs and cats from theft of such pets, to prevent the sale or use of dogs and cats which have been stolen, and to insure that certain animals intended for use in research facilities are provided humane care and treatment, it is essential to regulate the transportation, purchase, sale, housing, care, handling, and treatment of such animals by persons or organizations engaged in using them for research or experimental purposes or in transporting, buying, or selling them for such use.
[Definitions.] SEC. 2. When used in this Act--
(a) The term "person" includes any individual, partnership, firm, joint stock company, corporation, association, trust, estate, or other legal entity;
(b) The term "Secretary" means the Secretary of Agriculture;
(c) The term "commerce" means commerce between any State, territory, possession, or the District of Columbia, or the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, but through any place outside thereof; or within any territory, possession, or the District of Columbia;
(d) The term "dog" means any live dog (Canis familiaris);
(e) The term "cat" means any live cat (Felis catus);
(f) The term "research facility" means any school, institution, organization, or person that uses or intends to use dogs or cats in research, tests, or experiments, and that (1) purchases or transports dogs or cats in commerce, or (2) receives funds under a grant, award, loan, or contract from a department, agency, or instrumentality of the United States for the purpose of carrying out research, tests, or experiments;
[80 STAT. 350.] (g) The term "dealer" means any person who for compensation or profit delivers for transportation, or transports, except as a common carrier, buys, or sells dogs or cats in commerce for research purposes;
[80 STAT. 351.] (h) The term "animal" means live dogs, cats, monkeys (nonhuman primate mammals), guinea pigs, hamsters, and rabbits.
[Licenses to dealers.] SEC. 3. The Secretary shall issue licenses to dealers upon application therefor in such form and manner as he may prescribe and upon payment of such fee established pursuant to section 23 of this Act: Provided, That no such license shall be issued until the dealer shall have demonstrated that his facilities comply with the standards promulgated by the Secretary pursuant to section 13 of this Act: Provided, however, That any person who derives less than a substantial portion of his income (as determined by the Secretary) from the breeding and raising of dogs or cats on his own premises and sells any such dog or cat to a dealer or research facility shall not be required to obtain a license as a dealer under this Act. The Secretary is further authorized to license, as dealers within the meaning of this Act upon such persons' complying with the requirements specified above and agreeing, in writing, to comply with all the requirements of this Act and the regulations promulgated by the Secretary hereunder.
[License requirements.] SEC. 4. No dealer shall sell or offer to sell or transport or offer for transportation to any research facility any dog or cat, or buy, sell, offer to buy or sell, transport or offer for transportation in commerce to or from another dealer under this Act any dog or cat, unless and until such dealer shall have obtained a license from the Secretary and such license shall not have been suspended or revoked.
SEC. 5. No dealer shall sell or otherwise dispose of any dog or cat within a period of five business days after the acquisition of such animal or within such other period as may be specified by the Secretary.
[Registration.] SEC. 6. Every research facility shall register with the Secretary in accordance with such rules and regulations as he may prescribe.
[Purchase restrictions.] SEC. 7. It shall be unlawful for any research facility to purchase any dog or cat from any person except a person holding a valid license as a dealer issued by the Secretary pursuant to this Act unless such person is exempted from obtaining such license under section 3 of this Act.
[Transactions by U.S. agencies.] SEC. 8. No department, agency, or instrumentality of the United States which uses animals for research or experimentation shall purchase or otherwise acquire any dog or cat for such purposes from any person except a person holding a valid license as a dealer issued by the Secretary pursuant to this Act unless such person is exempted from obtaining such license under section 3 of this Act.
[Enforcement.] SEC. 9. When construing or enforcing the provisions of this Act, the act, omission, or failure of any individual action for or employed by a research facility or a dealer, or a person licensed as a dealer pursuant to the second sentence of section 3, within the scope of his employment or office, shall be deemed the act, omission, or failure of such research facility, dealer, or other person as well as of such individual.
[Recordkeeping.] SEC. 10. Research facilities and dealers shall make, and retain for such reasonable period of time as the Secretary may prescribe, such records with respect to the purchase, sale, transportation, identification, and previous ownership of dogs and cats but not monkeys, guinea pigs, hamsters, or rabbits as the Secretary may prescribe, upon forms supplied by the Secretary. Such records shall be made available at all reasonable times for inspection by the Secretary, by any Federal officer or employee designated by the Secretary.
[Identification.] SEC. 11. All dogs and cats delivered for transportation, transported, purchased, or sold in commerce by any dealer shall be marked or identified at such time and in such humane manner as the Secretary may prescribe.
[Humane standards, promulgation. 80 STAT. 351.] SEC. 12. The Secretary is authorized to promulgate humane standards and recordkeeping requirements governing the purchase, handling, or sale of dogs or cats by dealers or research facilities at auction sales.
[80 STAT. 352.] SEC. 13. The Secretary shall establish and promulgate standards to govern the humane handling, care, treatment, and transportation of animals by dealers and research facilities. Such standards shall include minimum requirements with respect to the housing, feeding, watering, sanitation, ventilation, shelter from extremes of weather and temperature, separation by species, and adequate veterinary care. The foregoing shall not be construed as authorizing the Secretary to prescribe standards for the handling, care, or treatment of animals during actual research or experimentation by research facility as determined by such research facility.
[Compliance by U.S. agencies.] SEC. 14. Any department, agency, or instrumentality of the United States having laboratory animal facilities shall comply with the standards promulgated by the Secretary for a research facility under section 13.
SEC. 15. (a) The Secretary shall consult and cooperate with other Federal departments, agencies, or instrumentalities concerned with the welfare of animals used for research or experimentation when establishing standards pursuant to section 13 and in carrying out the purposes of this Act.
(b) The Secretary is authorized to cooperate with the officials of the various States or political subdivisions thereof in effectuating the purposes of this Act and of any State, local, or municipal legislation or ordinance on the same subject.
[Investigations or inspections.] SEC. 16. The Secretary shall make such investigations or inspections as he deems necessary to determine whether any dealer or research facility has violated or is violating any provision of this Act or any regulation issued thereunder. The Secretary shall promulgate such rules and regulations as he deems necessary to permit inspectors to confiscate or destroy in a humane manner any animals found to be suffering as a result of a failure to comply with any provision of this Act or any regulation issued thereunder if (1) such animals are held by a dealer, or (2) such animals are held by a research facility and are no longer required by such research facility to carry out the research, test, or experiment for which such animals have been utilized.
SEC. 17. The Secretary shall issue rules and regulations requiring licensed dealers and research facilities to permit inspection of their animals and records at reasonable hours upon request by legally constituted law enforcement agencies in search of lost animals.
SEC. 18. Nothing in this Act shall be construed as authorizing the Secretary to promulgate rules, regulations, or orders for the handling, care, treatment, or inspection of animals during actual research or experimentation by a research facility as determined by such research facility.
[Suspension of dealer's license.] SEC. 19. (a) If the Secretary has reason to believe that any person licensed as a dealer has violated or is violating any provision of this Act or any of the rules or regulations promulgated by the Secretary hereunder, the Secretary may suspend such person's license temporarily, but not to exceed twenty-one days, and, after notice and opportunity for hearing, may suspend for such additional period as he may specify or revoke such license, if such violation is determined to have occurred and may make an order that such person shall cease and desist from continuing such violation.
[Judicial review. 60 STAT. 243. 80 STAT. 352.] (b) Any dealer aggrieved by a final order of the Secretary issued pursuant to subsection (a) of this section may, within sixty days after entry of such an order, seek review of such order in the manner provided in section 10 of the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. 1009).
[80 STAT. 353.] (c) Any dealer who violates any provision of this Act shall, on conviction thereof, be subject to imprisonment for not more than one year or a fine of not more than $1,000, or both.
[Violations by research facilities. Penalty.] SEC. 20. (a) If the Secretary has reason to believe that any research facility has violated or is violating any provision of this Act or any of the rules or regulations promulgated by the Secretary hereunder and if, after notice and opportunity for hearing, he finds a violation, he may make an order that such research facility shall cease and desist from continuing such violation. Such cease and desist order shall become effective fifteen days after issuance of the order. Any research facility which knowingly fails to obey a cease-and-desist order made by the Secretary under this section shall be subject to a civil penalty of $500 for each offense, and each day during which such failure continues shall be deemed a separate offense.
[Judicial review. 60 STAT. 243] (b) Any research facility aggrieved by a final order of the Secretary issued pursuant to subsection (a) of this section may, within sixty days after entry of such order, seek review of such order in the district court for the district in which such research facility is located in the manner provided in section 10 of the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. 1009).
[Rules and regulations.] SEC. 21. The Secretary is authorized to promulgate such rules, regulations, and orders as he may deem necessary in order to effectuate the proposes of this Act.
SEC. 22. If any provision of this Act or the application of any such provision to any person of circumstances shall be held invalid, the remainder of this Act and the application of any such provision to persons or circumstances other than those as to which it is held invalid shall not be affected thereby.
[License fees. Appropriation.] SEC. 23. The Secretary shall charge, assess, and cause to be collected reasonable fees for licenses issued. Such fees shall be adjusted on an equitable basis taking into consideration the type and nature of the operations to be licensed and shall be deposited and covered into the Treasury as miscellaneous receipts. There are hereby authorized to be appropriated such funds as Congress may from time to time provide.
[Effective dates.] SEC. 24. The regulations referred to in section 10 and section 13 shall be prescribed by the Secretary as soon as reasonable but not later than six months from the date of enactment of this Act. Additions and amendments thereto may be prescribed from time to time as may be necessary or advisable. Compliance by dealers with the provisions of this Act and such regulations shall commence ninety days after the promulgation of such regulation. Compliance by research facilities with the provisions of this Act and such regulations shall commence six months after the promulgation of such regulations, except that the Secretary may grant extensions of time to research facilities which do not comply with the standards prescribed by the Secretary pursuant to section 13 of this Act provided that the Secretary determines that there is evidence that the research facilities will meet such standards within a reasonable time.
Approved August 24, 1966.
89th Congress, H. R. 13881
August 24, 1966
An Act
Note: In this HTML version of the Act, brackets, [ ], indicate notes found in the corresponding margin of the hardcopy document.
To authorize the Secretary of Agriculture to regulate the transportation, sale, and handling of dogs, cats, and certain other animals intended to be used for purposes of research or experimentation, and for other purposes.
[Dogs, cats, and other animals intended for research or expermental use.] Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. That, in order to protect the owners of dogs and cats from theft of such pets, to prevent the sale or use of dogs and cats which have been stolen, and to insure that certain animals intended for use in research facilities are provided humane care and treatment, it is essential to regulate the transportation, purchase, sale, housing, care, handling, and treatment of such animals by persons or organizations engaged in using them for research or experimental purposes or in transporting, buying, or selling them for such use.
[Definitions.] SEC. 2. When used in this Act--
(a) The term "person" includes any individual, partnership, firm, joint stock company, corporation, association, trust, estate, or other legal entity;
(b) The term "Secretary" means the Secretary of Agriculture;
(c) The term "commerce" means commerce between any State, territory, possession, or the District of Columbia, or the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, but through any place outside thereof; or within any territory, possession, or the District of Columbia;
(d) The term "dog" means any live dog (Canis familiaris);
(e) The term "cat" means any live cat (Felis catus);
(f) The term "research facility" means any school, institution, organization, or person that uses or intends to use dogs or cats in research, tests, or experiments, and that (1) purchases or transports dogs or cats in commerce, or (2) receives funds under a grant, award, loan, or contract from a department, agency, or instrumentality of the United States for the purpose of carrying out research, tests, or experiments;
[80 STAT. 350.] (g) The term "dealer" means any person who for compensation or profit delivers for transportation, or transports, except as a common carrier, buys, or sells dogs or cats in commerce for research purposes;
[80 STAT. 351.] (h) The term "animal" means live dogs, cats, monkeys (nonhuman primate mammals), guinea pigs, hamsters, and rabbits.
[Licenses to dealers.] SEC. 3. The Secretary shall issue licenses to dealers upon application therefor in such form and manner as he may prescribe and upon payment of such fee established pursuant to section 23 of this Act: Provided, That no such license shall be issued until the dealer shall have demonstrated that his facilities comply with the standards promulgated by the Secretary pursuant to section 13 of this Act: Provided, however, That any person who derives less than a substantial portion of his income (as determined by the Secretary) from the breeding and raising of dogs or cats on his own premises and sells any such dog or cat to a dealer or research facility shall not be required to obtain a license as a dealer under this Act. The Secretary is further authorized to license, as dealers within the meaning of this Act upon such persons' complying with the requirements specified above and agreeing, in writing, to comply with all the requirements of this Act and the regulations promulgated by the Secretary hereunder.
[License requirements.] SEC. 4. No dealer shall sell or offer to sell or transport or offer for transportation to any research facility any dog or cat, or buy, sell, offer to buy or sell, transport or offer for transportation in commerce to or from another dealer under this Act any dog or cat, unless and until such dealer shall have obtained a license from the Secretary and such license shall not have been suspended or revoked.
SEC. 5. No dealer shall sell or otherwise dispose of any dog or cat within a period of five business days after the acquisition of such animal or within such other period as may be specified by the Secretary.
[Registration.] SEC. 6. Every research facility shall register with the Secretary in accordance with such rules and regulations as he may prescribe.
[Purchase restrictions.] SEC. 7. It shall be unlawful for any research facility to purchase any dog or cat from any person except a person holding a valid license as a dealer issued by the Secretary pursuant to this Act unless such person is exempted from obtaining such license under section 3 of this Act.
[Transactions by U.S. agencies.] SEC. 8. No department, agency, or instrumentality of the United States which uses animals for research or experimentation shall purchase or otherwise acquire any dog or cat for such purposes from any person except a person holding a valid license as a dealer issued by the Secretary pursuant to this Act unless such person is exempted from obtaining such license under section 3 of this Act.
[Enforcement.] SEC. 9. When construing or enforcing the provisions of this Act, the act, omission, or failure of any individual action for or employed by a research facility or a dealer, or a person licensed as a dealer pursuant to the second sentence of section 3, within the scope of his employment or office, shall be deemed the act, omission, or failure of such research facility, dealer, or other person as well as of such individual.
[Recordkeeping.] SEC. 10. Research facilities and dealers shall make, and retain for such reasonable period of time as the Secretary may prescribe, such records with respect to the purchase, sale, transportation, identification, and previous ownership of dogs and cats but not monkeys, guinea pigs, hamsters, or rabbits as the Secretary may prescribe, upon forms supplied by the Secretary. Such records shall be made available at all reasonable times for inspection by the Secretary, by any Federal officer or employee designated by the Secretary.
[Identification.] SEC. 11. All dogs and cats delivered for transportation, transported, purchased, or sold in commerce by any dealer shall be marked or identified at such time and in such humane manner as the Secretary may prescribe.
[Humane standards, promulgation. 80 STAT. 351.] SEC. 12. The Secretary is authorized to promulgate humane standards and recordkeeping requirements governing the purchase, handling, or sale of dogs or cats by dealers or research facilities at auction sales.
[80 STAT. 352.] SEC. 13. The Secretary shall establish and promulgate standards to govern the humane handling, care, treatment, and transportation of animals by dealers and research facilities. Such standards shall include minimum requirements with respect to the housing, feeding, watering, sanitation, ventilation, shelter from extremes of weather and temperature, separation by species, and adequate veterinary care. The foregoing shall not be construed as authorizing the Secretary to prescribe standards for the handling, care, or treatment of animals during actual research or experimentation by research facility as determined by such research facility.
[Compliance by U.S. agencies.] SEC. 14. Any department, agency, or instrumentality of the United States having laboratory animal facilities shall comply with the standards promulgated by the Secretary for a research facility under section 13.
SEC. 15. (a) The Secretary shall consult and cooperate with other Federal departments, agencies, or instrumentalities concerned with the welfare of animals used for research or experimentation when establishing standards pursuant to section 13 and in carrying out the purposes of this Act.
(b) The Secretary is authorized to cooperate with the officials of the various States or political subdivisions thereof in effectuating the purposes of this Act and of any State, local, or municipal legislation or ordinance on the same subject.
[Investigations or inspections.] SEC. 16. The Secretary shall make such investigations or inspections as he deems necessary to determine whether any dealer or research facility has violated or is violating any provision of this Act or any regulation issued thereunder. The Secretary shall promulgate such rules and regulations as he deems necessary to permit inspectors to confiscate or destroy in a humane manner any animals found to be suffering as a result of a failure to comply with any provision of this Act or any regulation issued thereunder if (1) such animals are held by a dealer, or (2) such animals are held by a research facility and are no longer required by such research facility to carry out the research, test, or experiment for which such animals have been utilized.
SEC. 17. The Secretary shall issue rules and regulations requiring licensed dealers and research facilities to permit inspection of their animals and records at reasonable hours upon request by legally constituted law enforcement agencies in search of lost animals.
SEC. 18. Nothing in this Act shall be construed as authorizing the Secretary to promulgate rules, regulations, or orders for the handling, care, treatment, or inspection of animals during actual research or experimentation by a research facility as determined by such research facility.
[Suspension of dealer's license.] SEC. 19. (a) If the Secretary has reason to believe that any person licensed as a dealer has violated or is violating any provision of this Act or any of the rules or regulations promulgated by the Secretary hereunder, the Secretary may suspend such person's license temporarily, but not to exceed twenty-one days, and, after notice and opportunity for hearing, may suspend for such additional period as he may specify or revoke such license, if such violation is determined to have occurred and may make an order that such person shall cease and desist from continuing such violation.
[Judicial review. 60 STAT. 243. 80 STAT. 352.] (b) Any dealer aggrieved by a final order of the Secretary issued pursuant to subsection (a) of this section may, within sixty days after entry of such an order, seek review of such order in the manner provided in section 10 of the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. 1009).
[80 STAT. 353.] (c) Any dealer who violates any provision of this Act shall, on conviction thereof, be subject to imprisonment for not more than one year or a fine of not more than $1,000, or both.
[Violations by research facilities. Penalty.] SEC. 20. (a) If the Secretary has reason to believe that any research facility has violated or is violating any provision of this Act or any of the rules or regulations promulgated by the Secretary hereunder and if, after notice and opportunity for hearing, he finds a violation, he may make an order that such research facility shall cease and desist from continuing such violation. Such cease and desist order shall become effective fifteen days after issuance of the order. Any research facility which knowingly fails to obey a cease-and-desist order made by the Secretary under this section shall be subject to a civil penalty of $500 for each offense, and each day during which such failure continues shall be deemed a separate offense.
[Judicial review. 60 STAT. 243] (b) Any research facility aggrieved by a final order of the Secretary issued pursuant to subsection (a) of this section may, within sixty days after entry of such order, seek review of such order in the district court for the district in which such research facility is located in the manner provided in section 10 of the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. 1009).
[Rules and regulations.] SEC. 21. The Secretary is authorized to promulgate such rules, regulations, and orders as he may deem necessary in order to effectuate the proposes of this Act.
SEC. 22. If any provision of this Act or the application of any such provision to any person of circumstances shall be held invalid, the remainder of this Act and the application of any such provision to persons or circumstances other than those as to which it is held invalid shall not be affected thereby.
[License fees. Appropriation.] SEC. 23. The Secretary shall charge, assess, and cause to be collected reasonable fees for licenses issued. Such fees shall be adjusted on an equitable basis taking into consideration the type and nature of the operations to be licensed and shall be deposited and covered into the Treasury as miscellaneous receipts. There are hereby authorized to be appropriated such funds as Congress may from time to time provide.
[Effective dates.] SEC. 24. The regulations referred to in section 10 and section 13 shall be prescribed by the Secretary as soon as reasonable but not later than six months from the date of enactment of this Act. Additions and amendments thereto may be prescribed from time to time as may be necessary or advisable. Compliance by dealers with the provisions of this Act and such regulations shall commence ninety days after the promulgation of such regulation. Compliance by research facilities with the provisions of this Act and such regulations shall commence six months after the promulgation of such regulations, except that the Secretary may grant extensions of time to research facilities which do not comply with the standards prescribed by the Secretary pursuant to section 13 of this Act provided that the Secretary determines that there is evidence that the research facilities will meet such standards within a reasonable time.
Approved August 24, 1966.
Boss Hog AKC, HSUS, DDAL and PETA are sponsoring a bill to amend the current Animal Welfare Act. The bill is in the agriculture committe now. The bill is to regulate breeding of animals If you look at page one of this thread you will see a copy of the bill I posted directly from the government website. The basics of it is if you sell 1 dog that has been imported from other than the United States (canada, Mexico, England and so on) If you sell more than 25 dogs in one year or more than 6 litters of pups You will need to get a liscense. it also states if you make more than $500.00 profit off the sale of other animals (does not specifically say which AKC states that dogs, cats and livestock are not included in the other catigory but it doesn't specify i the bill). If you are required to have a liscense you will be inspected by USDA or they said they could contract it out With the sponsors of the bill who do you think will most likely get the contracts. There is also a list of associations that are for this legislation and a list that are against If you have time get on these peoples sites and read what they have to say about it. This is the basics I can put in short form I can go more in depth but you said you didn't have time.
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I still say that anyone who backs anything that PETA supports has got major issues.
Sorry, that is the bottom line. You can debate these things all day and all night but if PETA supports it, you can bet it ain't good.
Any hunter that sides with PETA might as well send them some money in my book.
Hey BEV, how about doing a story on this issue!
Sorry, that is the bottom line. You can debate these things all day and all night but if PETA supports it, you can bet it ain't good.
Any hunter that sides with PETA might as well send them some money in my book.
Hey BEV, how about doing a story on this issue!
"No stronger bond exist than that between a man and his dog."
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Swamper, I dont understand your logic. You are correcting us for our opinion and on the same hand you are against something simply because PETA is for it. If your logic holds........maybe the anti's will smarten up and start supporting year around hunting................then I am sure you and your hunting buddies would be against hunting since PETA was for it. Hope you understand my logic.AlabamaSwamper wrote:I still say that anyone who backs anything that PETA supports has got major issues.
Sorry, that is the bottom line. You can debate these things all day and all night but if PETA supports it, you can bet it ain't good.
Any hunter that sides with PETA might as well send them some money in my book.
Hey BEV, how about doing a story on this issue!
Peace.
Randy
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That'll be the day. Fact is, PETA ain't gonna do that, please understand that logic. I'm gonna be vocal on this and I will discontinue my business with AKC once this is done. How about some of these other registeries voicing their opinions on this, that would be nice. Loyalty to AKC's database is not as important as my dogs being able to run rabbits.WrongsideRandy wrote:Swamper, I dont understand your logic. You are correcting us for our opinion and on the same hand you are against something simply because PETA is for it. If your logic holds........maybe the anti's will smarten up and start supporting year around hunting................then I am sure you and your hunting buddies would be against hunting since PETA was for it. Hope you understand my logic.AlabamaSwamper wrote:I still say that anyone who backs anything that PETA supports has got major issues.
Sorry, that is the bottom line. You can debate these things all day and all night but if PETA supports it, you can bet it ain't good.
Any hunter that sides with PETA might as well send them some money in my book.
Hey BEV, how about doing a story on this issue!
Peace.
Randy
Randy, I respect you and your posts on all the boards. I enjoy reading your posts but in no way shape or form should anyone support anything that PETA also supports. The more they get their foot in the door, the stronger they get, simple as that.
PETA is a leftist organization that wants to take your hunting rights away and I have no idea why anyone would side with them. Sorry for being so rude here but ya'll really need to rethink your stance on such a bill.
I don't like puppy mills anymore than anyone else and I dare say I've been the most vocal against such people on these boards but I'd rather support them than support PETA and their views. There are better ways to get rid of mills than siding with PETA.
Maybe some of you need to go visit PETA's website and see just how crazy they are and how far they are willing to go.
"No stronger bond exist than that between a man and his dog."
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I will put it this way HSUS is now backing a bill in Mass. that is regulating anyone who even breeds 1 litter of pups if they breed 1 litter of pups then they have to get a liscense from the state and a health certificate for the kennel. This is where HSUS wants to take this bill. HSUS has stated they will start small and eventually get hunting with hounds banned one state at a time. PAWS is just the start for them. If this is what you want then support PAWS if it is not what you want then oppose it Because this is what the antis want to happen. Plain and simple
Steve, I've heard the lady in charge of PETA on the radio here in Atlanta. They are slicker then snot with words, like they say hound hunting's not FAIR CHASE for Game, like they support Fair Chase, Ya Right!!! We've got to watch these people CLOSE cause they'll fool a lot of people with their Bull----!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is exactly what I'm talking about.steve3662 wrote:I will put it this way HSUS is now backing a bill in Mass. that is regulating anyone who even breeds 1 litter of pups if they breed 1 litter of pups then they have to get a liscense from the state and a health certificate for the kennel. This is where HSUS wants to take this bill. HSUS has stated they will start small and eventually get hunting with hounds banned one state at a time. PAWS is just the start for them. If this is what you want then support PAWS if it is not what you want then oppose it Because this is what the antis want to happen. Plain and simple
The bill being discussed here is very precise when it speaks of hunting hounds.
WHy can't some of you see this?
What is some of the Hound organizations doing to defeat this bill?
"No stronger bond exist than that between a man and his dog."
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To me, the specific's of this law really aren't that bad, and infact really wouldn't effect me. As far as a slippery slope, it's a possibility, but it's still speculation.
The issue to me isn't if it's a good law or not. The issue to me is that it's not the governments job to regulate what a man wants to do with his dogs. Even if I don't like what someone does with their dogs, that's between them and God. I'd have to look, but I don't remember anything like "by the people, for the people.....and for tellling people how many dogs they are able to breed without the governments permisison."
Freedom, leave mine alone, thanks!
dk
The issue to me isn't if it's a good law or not. The issue to me is that it's not the governments job to regulate what a man wants to do with his dogs. Even if I don't like what someone does with their dogs, that's between them and God. I'd have to look, but I don't remember anything like "by the people, for the people.....and for tellling people how many dogs they are able to breed without the governments permisison."
Freedom, leave mine alone, thanks!
dk
AKC has now posted a $130.000 ad in the NY times. saying no laws protect the pups that are imported and from puppy mills that are being sold over the internet Can someone please direct me to these internet sites selling these dogs because I haven't found any of them. Since AKC is in the tight knit family of the antis now I guess they are going to start posting propaganda too.