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WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:23 pm

AlabamaSwamper wrote: This is exactly what I'm talking about.

The bill being discussed here is very precise when it speaks of hunting hounds.

WHy can't some of you see this?

What is some of the Hound organizations doing to defeat this bill?

Where are you guys coming up with this info on hunting dogs being added?

Is it this that is misleading you..........."any dog for hunting, security, or breeding purposes, except that this term does not include........"??

Thanks.

Randy

TC · Post by TC » Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:30 pm

The issue to me isn't if it's a good law or not. The issue to me is that it's not the governments job to regulate what a man wants to do with his dogs. Even if I don't like what someone does with their dogs, that's between them and God. I'd have to look, but I don't remember anything like "by the people, for the people.....and for tellling people how many dogs they are able to breed without the governments permisison."

Freedom, leave mine alone, thanks!

dk

I agree
This Is the Problem I have with it!!!!! A lot of the Bill Sounds just and Good BUT Do we need more Goverment intervention in our Lives???/ And shouldnt we as a Voting people Have a say in what laws are passed and Why????
As far as PETA backing this Bill They have not come right out and said so BUT they also have never admitted to backing ALF and ELF But they do!!!!
I just think that We as a people Should have a say so in this matter.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:48 am

Randy,

I may well be wrong on the hunting dog issue. The more I read, the more I am seeing this. Although, the more I read AKC's website, the more confused I get also.

As far as I can tell, PETA has not officially came out for this bill but all their big shots have. PETA has also from what I have read, offered to have "their" people help with inspections. I'm sure we all want that don't we?

However, I will not go to bed with PETA or HSUS at anytime for any reason. Their goals are to strip the very things I hold dear to my heart. It seems that almost ALL other animal groups, registeries and organizations are opposed to this measure. Wonder why? I guess they refuse to back anything those terroist back.

Here is a paragraph from the ADBA's website.

Extreme caution is required when endorsing any bill that the Animal Rights Activists support or sponsor. Their agenda to eliminate ALL breeding of domesticated animals must be foremost in our minds. The PAWS bill is a large step in the direction toward their ultimate goal and if passed, regardless of all the good intentions behind it today, will be the tool used to eliminate all breeding of domesticated animals tomorrow.

I have nothing to do with this organization but in my search for the truth, I came across their website. I may not 100% agree with them on things but I know they don't like PETA one bit. I think this site is for show breeders of dogs. Either way, that paragraph is 100% correct.

One step at a time is PETA's plan and this is exactly that, one step!

I hate puppy mills and irresponsible breeders more than anyone on this board but I also believe we can start bringing them down without any help from terroist, which is exactly what PETA and HSUS is. I'd rather be dead than be in bed with those people, they are crazy.

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:33 pm

The dogs champion,yea right. I'd say if everybody thats against this Bill would not register anymore hounds with the AKC there additude about PAWS would change. This bill plays into the ANTI' S hand,they are stacking the deck against us,the AKC is helping them do it.

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:25 pm

Hey guys,
Why haven't any of us heard a word from the National Beagle Club on where they stand on this issue?
I belong to a group called PetLaw that is taking serious action to fight this (and other) horrible bill(s). Please come and join us!!! We need everyone to fight this if we are going to win...and if we win this fight you know there will be another one next year so we might as well start getting savvy on the issues now

PETA sure isn't going away....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pet-law/

A CALL A DAY KEEPS PAWS AWAY (202)224-2035 OPPOSE PAWS SB1139 & HB2669
ALSO CALL YOUR SENATOR & CONGRESSMAN
DON'T LET CONGRESS FEDERALIZE HOBBY BREEDERS. HEALTHY HAPPY PETS COME
FROM OUR HEARTS & OUR HOMES. DEFEND HOME RAISED PETS. OPPOSE PAWS.

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:29 pm

tommyg wrote:The dogs champion,yea right. I'd say if everybody thats against this Bill would not register anymore hounds with the AKC there additude about PAWS would change. This bill plays into the ANTI' S hand,they are stacking the deck against us,the AKC is helping them do it.

EXACTLY! But if this bill passes EVERY ONE of us AKC, UKC or grade, will be under their microscope. We know something strange is up with AKC....and we'll have to fix that later after we defeat this BS.... it will affect all of us if we let them win this.

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:41 am

Here is NKC's stand on the PAWS bill. I copied and pasted this from thier board.

There is currently a US Senate & House bill being backed by certain organizations claiming they want to better the dog (and other animals) breeding industry. The Senate Bill 1139/House Bill 2669 also known as the PAWS Bill (Pest Animal Welfare Statute), will not better the dog/animal industry instead it will impose USDA regulations on individuals who only breed dogs for the love of the animals and not for the profit. There are already rules in place to regulate the industry of dog breeding for profit. Commercial breeders already have to be licensed by the USDA and follow USDA regulations and guidelines. This bill wants to require breeders of dogs (and other animals) who breed and whelp 7 or more litters in a year or sell 25 or more animals commercially to be licensed by the USDA and follow USDA rules concerning breeding and selling animals for profit.

If you own dogs, and then co-own other dogs with a partner, it could be very easy for you to have 7 litters in one year. You would then be required to register with the USDA, follow all USDA rules and regulations regarding breeding of animals and be subject to the USDA inspection at your home.

The NKC is asking all of their dog owners to contact their local Senators and Congressmen asking them to vote no to PAWS bill. Below are the links to the home page of the US Senate and US House of Representatives please take the time to visit both sites to find your local representatives and ask them to simply vote know to either Senate Bill 1139 or House Bill 2669 .

http://www.senate.gov

http://www.house.gov

Thank you,

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:28 am

You had me excited there for a second...I misread NKC as NBC.....

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:46 am

Hey Aaron! Maybe you should contact daddy Del and let him "know" that someone made another typo, people should tell them senators "no". LMAO

I guess they have an excuse though.......lol.

I would but he dont accept my emails.

Later,
Randy

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:57 am

Steve or someone...can you give me a link to the AKC forum please?
Thanks!

goes1 · Post by **goes1** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:12 pm

If I am reading thing correctly, and I may not be, it's me after all...lol but it seems that the problem many are having is the number of dogs being able to be sold a year and the number of litters being whelped.
I'm I correct on this?

Bob Kane · Post by **Bob Kane** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:14 pm

Any chance of consolidating the PAWS discussions at http://americanbeagler.huntingboards.co ... light=paws

TC · Post by TC » Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:51 pm

Goes Most dont have a problem with the Number of Dogs it just the Regulations themselves and everything a person would have to do to comply And DANGIT I got enough Folks tellin Me what to do!!!!! I thought we the people Were supposed to be able to make some of these desisions Ourselves!!!!!!!! AND the Folks Supporting and helpin to write the amendments to this aint lookin out fer me thats for sure!!!!
I just DO NOT like the IDEA of HSUS And them Havin ANY control over Me or My Hounds

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:52 pm

TC wrote:Goes Most dont have a problem with the Number of Dogs it just the Regulations themselves and everything a person would have to do to comply And DANGIT I got enough Folks tellin Me what to do!!!!! I thought we the people Were supposed to be able to make some of these desisions Ourselves!!!!!!!! AND the Folks Supporting and helpin to write the amendments to this aint lookin out fer me thats for sure!!!!
I just DO NOT like the IDEA of HSUS And them Havin ANY control over Me or My Hounds

How do you like NAACP having control over you getting a good job........or ACLU not allowing you to display the Ten Commandments in public........or your child not being able to say Gods name in school.......or how about gun laws.....or losing your home so a Wal-Mart can be built; that's some "eminent domain", huh.....how about being rejected health care because of no insurance while an illegal Mexican is getting his entire family cared for next to you, and fed and clothed and housed........or being told what you can and cant do to your own body!

Folks, you have been losing freedoms for many years, if it takes your dogs being impacted to get your attention...............I guess they finally did it!

Now get out and vote the next go around.......and make some changes.

Take care,
Randy

goes1 · Post by **goes1** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:27 pm

TC thanks for jumping and answering, but partner if you read the USDA reg's you would see that you wouldn't have to change a thing. I have been to your home and have read the regulations and you are in compliance.
I also know you better than that statement that DK made about what he may see but what a man does is between him and God. You and I both know that if you and JC were anywhere and saw someone abusing an animal you would step in and if you didn't JC would tan your hide but quick.

Forgive me bud but DK's version of leave my freedom alone is the NIMBY. NOT IN MY BACKYARD. So as long as things don't directly effect you in your backyard you don't need to worry about it. POPPYCOCK

So if many are not worried about what the bill says they are just tired of being regulated that's sure enough not going to help me to figure this thing out. Because this is how feel right know,

and I;m still not getting it.

Take care partner and I'm sorry we couldn't get together for one last run before I head out. Just 6 more days. Please take care and thanks again for all of your hospitality.

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