Here ya Go folks We need to nip this one and here is a way to help us do it!
All we need to do is Send a message to our State legislators and Elected officials letting them Know how we feel About this bill!!!
Instead of just talkin about it on the boards we can get involved!!!!
This link was posted on another site i visit and works great has the list of each state and a Drop down type form to let you be heard you can E-mail or Compose your own letter.
http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/issues/aler ... 86&type=CO
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I just did my Part!!
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Hey TC, I'm curious on the "nip this one"? Does this mean you don't support this bill?
If you don't, I must be missing something, not that that is any stretch for me to do...lol
But what I'm reading is that only folks have to "sell more than 25 dogs or cats in a year."
I'm interpretating this as DOGS or CATS not puppies or Kittens. Is that what you are getting?
Next I see "whelps more than 6 litters in a year"
Isn't 7 allot of litters?
"Breeders and sellers are exempt if they sell fewer than 26 dogs and cats, whelp fewer than seven litters and sell only animals bred and raised on their premises, or receive a gross income less than $500 from such sales."
Heck I am even missing the problem with "sell only animals bred and raised on their premises".
Isn't this an attack on the puppy mills breeders?
Wouldn't it be good to have these folks regulated?
TC, you know me, I am not trying be argumentative
, I just feel like I'm missing something 
I look forward to hearing back from you on this.
If you don't, I must be missing something, not that that is any stretch for me to do...lol
But what I'm reading is that only folks have to "sell more than 25 dogs or cats in a year."
I'm interpretating this as DOGS or CATS not puppies or Kittens. Is that what you are getting?
Next I see "whelps more than 6 litters in a year"
Isn't 7 allot of litters?
"Breeders and sellers are exempt if they sell fewer than 26 dogs and cats, whelp fewer than seven litters and sell only animals bred and raised on their premises, or receive a gross income less than $500 from such sales."
Heck I am even missing the problem with "sell only animals bred and raised on their premises".
Isn't this an attack on the puppy mills breeders?
Wouldn't it be good to have these folks regulated?
TC, you know me, I am not trying be argumentative
, I just feel like I'm missing something I look forward to hearing back from you on this.
Hey Goes you know me I will do anything to stop puppy mills BUT this bill goes to far and is to far reaching if you read the bill itself it leaves to much to the USDAs interpretation Of what they feel is a hobby breeder and Who they feel are Puppy mills it is just to far reaching and its all up to the interpretation Of the inpectors and such.
Also From What I can Gather the wording is just to confusing and can be interpreted to may ways Such as..
If you sell just one dog which you did not breed- perhaps a field or Show prospect that did not work out, you cannot claim the 6 litter exemption. If you have 2 litters of 8 each and one litter of 9, a total of 25, those plus the "other" dog will put you over the limit.
That "other" dog could include a rescue dog that you sold for "expenses" to cover medical costs or boarding.
Existing laws already cover neglect.
I was all for this Bill as it was originally Drafted But after PETA ,HSUS, AND AKC got ahold of it And changed what they felt needed Changed it Went over the edge For me.... This is just HSUS way of getting thier reform of the AWA done
I Do NOT WANT the GOVERMENT any more involved In My Life than they already Are. the Next step would be the IRS calling it income and wanting thier Slice of the Pie!!!!!
The Secretary of Agriculture determined that hobby breeders fell within the meaning of "retail pet stores" and ruled that breeders who sold directly to buyers fell within the meaning of the term "retail pet store." Accordingly, the USDA has not regulated hobby breeders.
Three years ago, the Doris Day Animal League sued the USDA to require them to include hobby breeders. The UKC and other dog organizations opposed this and our side ultimately prevailed when the Supreme Court ruled that:
"Thus, nothing in the plain meaning of the term 'retail pet store' precluded the Secretary from construing that term to include 'any outlet' where certain animals, including dogs, 'are sold or offered for sale, at retail, for use as pets.' 9 CFR 1.1. To the contrary, the Secretary's regulation conforms to the accepted definition of the term 'retail store.'"
The court went on to say that the Secretary's interpretation had been in effect since 1971 and "Congress has not seen fit to alter that interpretation despite its willingness during that period to amend the AWA in other respects to achieve its policy goals."
Here we come to the heart of the matter. The AR activists at DDAL and HSUS realized that the Court wasn't going to give them what they want (federal regulation of ALL dog breeding) without a bill that established that very principle. PAWS is that bill.
AKC's analysis of the PAWS bill points out, correctly I might add, that the Secretary of Agriculture could change his interpretation of "retail pet store" at any time:
"While the USDA has interpreted the term retail pet store broadly in regulation for the more than 30 years since the enactment of this exemption, it is just a regulatory interpretation, and it could be changed simply by the USDA writing and justifying a new regulation."
So this is JUST my Opinion and the way I see it. WE DONT NEED more regulation or Rules that can be amended at Will
We most certainly dont need the Goverment Telling Us as Hobby Breeders What we can and cannot do.
Just another BIG BROTHER thing to me.
Also From What I can Gather the wording is just to confusing and can be interpreted to may ways Such as..
If you sell just one dog which you did not breed- perhaps a field or Show prospect that did not work out, you cannot claim the 6 litter exemption. If you have 2 litters of 8 each and one litter of 9, a total of 25, those plus the "other" dog will put you over the limit.
That "other" dog could include a rescue dog that you sold for "expenses" to cover medical costs or boarding.
Existing laws already cover neglect.
I was all for this Bill as it was originally Drafted But after PETA ,HSUS, AND AKC got ahold of it And changed what they felt needed Changed it Went over the edge For me.... This is just HSUS way of getting thier reform of the AWA done
I Do NOT WANT the GOVERMENT any more involved In My Life than they already Are. the Next step would be the IRS calling it income and wanting thier Slice of the Pie!!!!!
The Secretary of Agriculture determined that hobby breeders fell within the meaning of "retail pet stores" and ruled that breeders who sold directly to buyers fell within the meaning of the term "retail pet store." Accordingly, the USDA has not regulated hobby breeders.
Three years ago, the Doris Day Animal League sued the USDA to require them to include hobby breeders. The UKC and other dog organizations opposed this and our side ultimately prevailed when the Supreme Court ruled that:
"Thus, nothing in the plain meaning of the term 'retail pet store' precluded the Secretary from construing that term to include 'any outlet' where certain animals, including dogs, 'are sold or offered for sale, at retail, for use as pets.' 9 CFR 1.1. To the contrary, the Secretary's regulation conforms to the accepted definition of the term 'retail store.'"
The court went on to say that the Secretary's interpretation had been in effect since 1971 and "Congress has not seen fit to alter that interpretation despite its willingness during that period to amend the AWA in other respects to achieve its policy goals."
Here we come to the heart of the matter. The AR activists at DDAL and HSUS realized that the Court wasn't going to give them what they want (federal regulation of ALL dog breeding) without a bill that established that very principle. PAWS is that bill.
AKC's analysis of the PAWS bill points out, correctly I might add, that the Secretary of Agriculture could change his interpretation of "retail pet store" at any time:
"While the USDA has interpreted the term retail pet store broadly in regulation for the more than 30 years since the enactment of this exemption, it is just a regulatory interpretation, and it could be changed simply by the USDA writing and justifying a new regulation."
So this is JUST my Opinion and the way I see it. WE DONT NEED more regulation or Rules that can be amended at Will
We most certainly dont need the Goverment Telling Us as Hobby Breeders What we can and cannot do.
Just another BIG BROTHER thing to me.
From Field to Show and Show to Field the way it should be
See I knew there was something I was missing. I searched and couldn't find the bill, only excerpts by different organizations. I'll keep searching 
I can see what you mean about interpretation, I read the 25 dog limit as dogs, not pups. I got that from the additional information about the number of litters whelped.
For whatever it is worth, it'll be no different than any other law in our country, one attorney will say one thing and another attorney will say the opposite over the same thing...lol
take care partner
I can see what you mean about interpretation, I read the 25 dog limit as dogs, not pups. I got that from the additional information about the number of litters whelped.
For whatever it is worth, it'll be no different than any other law in our country, one attorney will say one thing and another attorney will say the opposite over the same thing...lol
take care partner
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Cannon Hollow Hounds
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Got it done TC. 
Get'r done boys.
Get'r done boys.
Coyote problems? Can't fix it with western tactics. Here ya go. http://www.easterncoyotes.com/
You can find me and other Prostaff here. http://www.easterncoyotes.com/prostaff
You can find me and other Prostaff here. http://www.easterncoyotes.com/prostaff
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EagleBeagler
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Let's move this thread over to http://americanbeagler.huntingboards.co ... hp?t=14385
Bob Kane, President
Virginia Hunting Dog Owners' Association
http://vhdoa.uplandbirddog.com/
Sportsmen's and Animal Owners' Voting Alliance -
Working to identify and elect supportive legislators
** Defeat S1139/HR2669 (PAWS) **
http://saova.org/1139.html
Bob Kane, President
Virginia Hunting Dog Owners' Association
http://vhdoa.uplandbirddog.com/
Sportsmen's and Animal Owners' Voting Alliance -
Working to identify and elect supportive legislators
** Defeat S1139/HR2669 (PAWS) **
http://saova.org/1139.html