Re: Tomorrow NOON
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:10 am
Leave it to Bluegrass, missed your insite man, welcome back. With this administration some humor is always a welcome. GOOD ONE!
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Mo. Beagler 5000 wrote:Here is how I justify it. Corporations for whatever stupid reason are people. People have to pay taxes on crap they don't like all the time for the betterment of society... Hobby lobby is no different. If they don't want to pay taxes fine. Let em go out of business so someone who will pay taxes uses the free market to open a new Hobby store to fill the void. If they feel their religion is more important than their duty as citizens then fine... They have a choice to make.Bunnyblaster wrote:
I know you're kinda taking a beating here but I gotta jump in yet again.
We are once again not treating the problem but trying to once again cover our @$$e$ on the back side. I understand trying to minimize the financial burden people's choices place on the rest of us but by doing so we take away the need for people to take responsibility for their own actions. In a perfect world someone makes a mistake and ends up getting pregnant on accident. They receive help either with an abortion or possibly with government funds to help with the child and they learn their lesson and go on to put in the best effort they can and move on with their lives and actually try to provide for themselves. In our world(i.e. reality) these people use these things as a way to either not take responsibility for their own actions or to take advantage of the system that was originally set up to help people truly in need that are willing to actually help themselves and make better choices in the future. I don't think someone should be "punished" for the rest of their lives for making one bad decision but the reality is we are being punished repeatedly for those that continually make poor choices and could care less. If you always had someone or something to fall back on then what is the incentive to do the right thing?? Obviously morals and integrity are a thing of the past for most people so the only thing left, and I'm sorry to have to say it this way, is punishment. People NEED to once again learn to take responsibility for their own actions and if parenting or religion isn't doing it then we need to find something that will.
And as for the fiasco of paying for birth control, while I would rather see that than abortions how do you justify forcing companies like Hobby Lobby to pay for something they do not believe in based on their religion. And don't come back to me with their employees don't have to believe in it because my response to that is then they don't have to work there either. You can't trade someone else's freedoms for another.........imo that is that absolute antipathy of true freedom.
Matter of fact I am in Chemistry right now. My kids are using VSPER models to predict the polarity of molecules and compounds... We are using this information to create a periodic table of electronegativity to bring to the national science convention. Pretty neat stuff. My principal came in and took pictures yesterday and Monday we are presenting our initial findings to To UCM (University of Central Missouri).Swampman wrote:Mo. Beagler 5000,
What school district do you work for?
Noting the time of some of your posts, I'm curious why you are posting on forums instead of doing your job "teaching" on the tax payers dime!
Bunnyblaster wrote:Mo. Beagler 5000 wrote:Here is how I justify it. Corporations for whatever stupid reason are people. People have to pay taxes on crap they don't like all the time for the betterment of society... Hobby lobby is no different. If they don't want to pay taxes fine. Let em go out of business so someone who will pay taxes uses the free market to open a new Hobby store to fill the void. If they feel their religion is more important than their duty as citizens then fine... They have a choice to make.Bunnyblaster wrote:
I know you're kinda taking a beating here but I gotta jump in yet again.
We are once again not treating the problem but trying to once again cover our @$$e$ on the back side. I understand trying to minimize the financial burden people's choices place on the rest of us but by doing so we take away the need for people to take responsibility for their own actions. In a perfect world someone makes a mistake and ends up getting pregnant on accident. They receive help either with an abortion or possibly with government funds to help with the child and they learn their lesson and go on to put in the best effort they can and move on with their lives and actually try to provide for themselves. In our world(i.e. reality) these people use these things as a way to either not take responsibility for their own actions or to take advantage of the system that was originally set up to help people truly in need that are willing to actually help themselves and make better choices in the future. I don't think someone should be "punished" for the rest of their lives for making one bad decision but the reality is we are being punished repeatedly for those that continually make poor choices and could care less. If you always had someone or something to fall back on then what is the incentive to do the right thing?? Obviously morals and integrity are a thing of the past for most people so the only thing left, and I'm sorry to have to say it this way, is punishment. People NEED to once again learn to take responsibility for their own actions and if parenting or religion isn't doing it then we need to find something that will.
And as for the fiasco of paying for birth control, while I would rather see that than abortions how do you justify forcing companies like Hobby Lobby to pay for something they do not believe in based on their religion. And don't come back to me with their employees don't have to believe in it because my response to that is then they don't have to work there either. You can't trade someone else's freedoms for another.........imo that is that absolute antipathy of true freedom.
But I thought our country was founded on freedoms which includes freedom of religion.......to choose freely, believe freely and to practice it freely?? So now you're telling me that our freedoms can be infringed upon if our politicians believe that limiting someones religious choices and beliefs will better our society as a whole?? So are our freedoms set up to be freedoms for individuals or only freedoms as a collective whole? And the choice you say they have to make is the difference between staying true to their beliefs or going against what they believe.........how is that truly religious freedom??? Obviously things in society change as time goes on which is very evident in the actions we see people take in today's world as opposed to years ago. But your description of the choice they have laid out in front of them IMO goes against exactly what this country was founded on. If we start to force people to go against what they believe then aren't we headed down a path that leads us right back to where we were before America was founded? And to add to that how is it that someone else's freedom to choose should be allowed to trump another's?? And in the case of Hobby Lobby I think it is clear. They run THEIR company in a way that they see fit based largely on their beliefs. Nobody is forced to go work at any of their stores so we are going to force the hand of Hobby Lobby in lue of just letting people choose to work somewhere else? Do you see my point here?? There are plenty of places for someone to go work without us having to trample on someone else's rights as an American whether it be a "corporation" or an individual.
If hobby Lobby is a religion they MUST be a non profit organization... They are trying to have it both ways.. We are religious so we can't pay for Obama care but we want to make money hand over fist and don't want to be classified as a religious institution because we are a business. Fine, if they don't want to be a business that plays by the rules, lower your prices to next to nothing, stop making money for moneys sake and start a philanthropy.Bunnyblaster wrote:Also, in your second paragraph you hit the nail on the head. But it has to work both ways so you can't say Hobby Lobby is infringing on individual's rights if they don't provide said insurance without saying the same in reverse if individuals force Hobby Lobby to provide for something that goes against their religion. Do you disagree??? IMO the only right way to handle it is for each to do as they believe and move on.
Mo. Beagler 5000 wrote:Matter of fact I am in Chemistry right now. My kids are using VSPER models to predict the polarity of molecules and compounds... We are using this information to create a periodic table of electronegativity to bring to the national science convention. Pretty neat stuff. My principal came in and took pictures yesterday and Monday we are presenting our initial findings to To UCM (University of Central Missouri).Swampman wrote:Mo. Beagler 5000,
What school district do you work for?
Noting the time of some of your posts, I'm curious why you are posting on forums instead of doing your job "teaching" on the tax payers dime!
Thanks for asking
But I also find time to post on my lunch break, prep hour, in between classes, tests, labs, etc...
Mo. Beagler 5000 wrote:If hobby Lobby is a religion they MUST be a non profit organization... They are trying to have it both ways.. We are religious so we can't pay for Obama care but we want to make money hand over fist and don't want to be classified as a religious institution because we are a business. Fine, if they don't want to be a business that plays by the rules, lower your prices to next to nothing, stop making money for moneys sake and start a philanthropy.Bunnyblaster wrote:Also, in your second paragraph you hit the nail on the head. But it has to work both ways so you can't say Hobby Lobby is infringing on individual's rights if they don't provide said insurance without saying the same in reverse if individuals force Hobby Lobby to provide for something that goes against their religion. Do you disagree??? IMO the only right way to handle it is for each to do as they believe and move on.
That is the problem right there...If they enter the market place as a business then it is demanded of them to play by the rules the constitution and congress outlines. (taxing, for any reason deemed necessary by congress is part of the constitution)
Ya, the government is infringing on Hobby Lobby's rights because they are a BUSINESS... If they were a church or a non profit we wouldn't be having this discussion. And if you allow one loophole you have to let them all.. What if Walmart''s CEO decided he didn't believe in doctors... would we allow Walmart to stop carrying insurance to millions of people?
Birth Control pills literally cost less than 50 cents for a month for the cheapies if you don't add in all the extra taxes, doctor's fee's and all the other stuff.. If our government was smart they would manufacture them for that price and hand it out like candy. We would save so many billions of dollars it wouldn't be funny. instead, we refuse to provide it at all and then whine when those kids end u on welfare and we want them to starve to death.
Bunnyblaster wrote:Mo. Beagler 5000 wrote:If hobby Lobby is a religion they MUST be a non profit organization... They are trying to have it both ways.. We are religious so we can't pay for Obama care but we want to make money hand over fist and don't want to be classified as a religious institution because we are a business. Fine, if they don't want to be a business that plays by the rules, lower your prices to next to nothing, stop making money for moneys sake and start a philanthropy.Bunnyblaster wrote:Also, in your second paragraph you hit the nail on the head. But it has to work both ways so you can't say Hobby Lobby is infringing on individual's rights if they don't provide said insurance without saying the same in reverse if individuals force Hobby Lobby to provide for something that goes against their religion. Do you disagree??? IMO the only right way to handle it is for each to do as they believe and move on.
That is the problem right there...If they enter the market place as a business then it is demanded of them to play by the rules the constitution and congress outlines. (taxing, for any reason deemed necessary by congress is part of the constitution)
Ya, the government is infringing on Hobby Lobby's rights because they are a BUSINESS... If they were a church or a non profit we wouldn't be having this discussion. And if you allow one loophole you have to let them all.. What if Walmart''s CEO decided he didn't believe in doctors... would we allow Walmart to stop carrying insurance to millions of people?
Birth Control pills literally cost less than 50 cents for a month for the cheapies if you don't add in all the extra taxes, doctor's fee's and all the other stuff.. If our government was smart they would manufacture them for that price and hand it out like candy. We would save so many billions of dollars it wouldn't be funny. instead, we refuse to provide it at all and then whine when those kids end u on welfare and we want them to starve to death.
And thank you for making my point. Government has no business getting involved with it in the first place. Once they start to require things that imo should be beyond the scope of their authority then it opens everything up to interpretation of what should and should not be included. Like I said I would be ok with it if it was medically necessary as some women do need them for medical reasons. But most want it just so they can have the sex without fear of the possible consequences. And as for your comment about Walmart saying they don't wanna pay if they decide they don't believe in doctors that is obviously absurd. Per the government how do you define a recognized religion?? And for that matter show me where the constitution stipulates that people can have religious beliefs and those should be respected as a freedom but for profit companies cannot.
Why is it so hard for you to understand.......it's their money, it's their business and so therefore it should be their choice. People pick and choose where they would like to apply for work based on all kinds of things so why not this? Companies either have to choose to have a religion or make money?? What kind of a choice is that?? You don't like it then don't work there is the way it should be. And I don't care how much birth control pills cost.......that's not the point for certain people. And I've bought birth control in the past.........granted it was a few years ago but it cost me a whole lot more than 50 cents a month!! I would have to assume if you could really get it without assistance for that much money then this would be a non-issue to begin with. I don't remember the young ladies name that was in college and raised a big stink about insurance companies not covering birth control but the number she used was also a whole lot more than the 50 cents you stated.
Bottom line there are a whole lot of reasons people could choose to want to or not want to work at any given company........just like the strip club I brought up. That goes against people's religious beliefs so do they have a gripe about how they can't work there too?
It must really chap your hide that I am in education huh? That I hold 5 different teaching certificates and have a bachelor's degree, pastoral license and a double Master's... Wanna know something even more scary? I am also apart of the consortium on the Common Core State Standards initiative that is currently deciding WHAT your kids in over 30 states get taught for the next decade at least.Bev wrote:I'd like to know when it happened that employers were required to offer health insurance, period? Employers started offering it to employees as an incentive to get people to work for them as opposed to their competition. They found they could get better group rates, and then split the cost with the employee. It's been said that if your employer offers health insurance, consider that to be worth $3-4/hr on top of your hourly rate. If you make $15/hr and have insurance, you actually make $19/hr. The policy of forcing companies to carry insurance smacks of facism in my book. It's a great incentive, but it should be voluntary. Otherwise, they can tell you "no insurance, but we will pay you extra so you can buy your own."
That in reality is what will happen with Obamacare. Companies will revolt in any way they can, i.e. cut everyone's hours to part-time, or stop hiring at employee #49, and you will buy your own insurance through an exchange.
Also, mo beagler, I'm glad you aren't teaching English Composition. I wasn't going to say anything, but having looked at ten pages of misspellings and grammatical errors that shouldn't occur beyond third grade, coupled with your general smugness of superiority, I feel compelled to mention it. It's "if I were Muslim," not "if I was Muslim." I can go back and red-pencil the rest of your posts if you'd like.
Amazing how low the bar of education has dropped.