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Pine Mt Beagles wrote:I ALSO THINK SOME OF WHAT HE HAS DONE IS SHOWING UP IN NEW JOBS
We are rapidly approaching double digit unemployment and you think Obama is creating new jobs? That must be the new math. I know with the new math you also pull the country out of a depression by deficit spend in record numbers. You also use the new math to provide health care to everyone by deficit spending in the trillions and call it optional as you put the competition out of business. The new math also says that if you own 78% of a company you really are not the one running it. To understand the new math you have to look through those Obama colored glasses, otherwise common sense will mess up the math.
Good thing is, you seem to have an endless supply of those Obama colored glasses.
Pine Mt Beagles wrote:I ALSO THINK SOME OF WHAT HE HAS DONE IS SHOWING UP IN NEW JOBS
We are rapidly approaching double digit unemployment and you think Obama is creating new jobs? That must be the new math. I know with the new math you also pull the country out of a depression by deficit spend in record numbers. You also use the new math to provide health care to everyone by deficit spending in the trillions and call it optional as you put the competition out of business. The new math also says that if you own 78% of a company you really are not the one running it. To understand the new math you have to look through those Obama colored glasses, otherwise common sense will mess up the math.
Good thing is, you seem to have an endless supply of those Obama colored glasses.
Pine Mt Beagles wrote:
I ALSO THINK SOME OF WHAT HE HAS DONE IS SHOWING UP IN NEW JOBS
We are rapidly approaching double digit unemployment and you think Obama is creating new jobs? That must be the new math. I know with the new math you also pull the country out of a depression by deficit spend in record numbers. You also use the new math to provide health care to everyone by deficit spending in the trillions and call it optional as you put the competition out of business. The new math also says that if you own 78% of a company you really are not the one running it. To understand the new math you have to look through those Obama colored glasses, otherwise common sense will mess up the math.
TIM-------- ANY JOB THAT IS CREATED IS A NEW JOB WE HAVE GOT ABOUT 5OO IN KY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS,, THIS IS THE SAME MATH,, BUSH USED WHEN HE CREATED ONLY GOVERNMENT JOBS ,THAT DON'T EXIST NOW,,UNEMPLOYMENT WAS EXPECTED TO BE AROUND 15% BY MOST ECONOMIST OVER A YEAR AGO, WE ALL KNOW THAT.DEFICIT SPENDING IS NOTHING NEW ,,AND IF AND IT IS, A BIG IF -EVERY ONE CAN GET INSURANCE IT WILL HELP EVERONE, AND THE COMPETION SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT OUT OF BUSINESS YEARS AGO, THESE INSURANCE PREMIMUMS, ARE WORSE THAN THE, ROBBERY THE OIL COMPANIES, ARE COMMITING, AND AS BAD AS THE HEALTH CARE IS IN OUR LOCAL HOSPITALS IT SHOULD BE FREE, MY SON WENT TO AN E.R. LATELY WITH CHEST PAINS THE BILL FOR TWO ASPRIN WAS $2200.00.THEY ARE PUTTING THEM SELVES OUT,AND NO ONE OWNS 78% OF A COMPANY NOT THE UNIONS THE SHARE HOLDERS GOVERNMENT COMBINED ,I THINK CHINA OWNS THE BIGGEST SHARE ANYWAY.,I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS GIVEN OUT ANY MONEY AS OF YET ONLY PROMISED. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS SHOULD HAVE SOME ONE STANDING RIGHT ON THEIR SHOULDER 24 -7...ONE OF THE BIGGEST RIP OFF'S THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,REMEMBER THE REPUBLICANS INVENTED FUZZY MATH,,,,,,,,,,,,
If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
AND IF AND IT IS, A BIG IF -EVERY ONE CAN GET INSURANCE IT WILL HELP EVERONE, AND THE COMPETION SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT OUT OF BUSINESS YEARS AGO, THESE INSURANCE PREMIMUMS, ARE WORSE THAN THE, ROBBERY THE OIL COMPANIES, ARE COMMITING, AND AS BAD AS THE HEALTH CARE IS IN OUR LOCAL HOSPITALS IT SHOULD BE FREE, MY SON WENT TO AN E.R. LATELY WITH CHEST PAINS THE BILL FOR TWO ASPRIN WAS $2200.00.THEY ARE PUTTING THEM SELVES OUT.
What do you think Health care cost are going to do with a government owned monoploy in the health care sector??????????
2 asprin didn't cost $2200. The staff on duty, light bill, heat/air bill, the illegals bills that are never paid, etc.., etc.. IT IS CALLED OVERHEAD!!!!!!! The non inshured user's of the current system is what is hurting the current system. Thay are the one's forcing premiums prices to rise. Go back in the last 20 plus years, when ever government allowed modifications to health services (allowing non insured covered patience service) premiums went up..... OVERHEAD WENT UP......
Stop health service to the uninsured, cut the overhead, watch the premiums fall. We do not need a government health care program, just deny service to illegal immigrants.
2500 HD wrote:
What do you think Health care cost are going to do with a government owned monoploy in the health care sector??????????
2 asprin didn't cost $2200. The staff on duty, light bill, heat/air bill, the illegals bills that are never paid, etc.., etc.. IT IS CALLED OVERHEAD!!!!!!! The non inshured user's of the current system is what is hurting the current system. Thay are the one's forcing premiums prices to rise. Go back in the last 20 plus years, when ever government allowed modifications to health services (allowing non insured covered patience service) premiums went up..... OVERHEAD WENT UP......
Stop health service to the uninsured, cut the overhead, watch the premiums fall. We do not need a government health care program, just deny service to illegal immigrants.
HD if the following goes threw that isn't going to happen it will be an entitlement for illegally crossing the borders.
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Pine Mt Beagles wrote:ANY JOB THAT IS CREATED IS A NEW JOB WE HAVE GOT ABOUT 5OO IN KY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS
I guess we can expect some "new" jobs in car dealer ownership soon then. That's how Obama creates new jobs. He takes them from the private sector and moves them into the government while paying for them with the taxes he collected from those who used to be employed by the auto industry. He also adds in a bunch of money that he has borrowed from the tragic future of this country.
Pine Mt Beagles wrote:UNEMPLOYMENT WAS EXPECTED TO BE AROUND 15% BY MOST ECONOMIST OVER A YEAR AGO, WE ALL KNOW THAT
Yes we all expected it on the condition that Obama got his stimulus package passed. It was predicted to cause double digit unemployment by the republican economist. (A year ago it was called fear mongering). Obama's "economists" predicted that with the stimulus package, unemployment would NOT go over 8%. Some were looking at the TRUTH a year ago and some are trying to explain why the TRUTHis not their fault.
Pine Mt Beagles wrote:DEFICIT SPENDING IS NOTHING NEW
No, the levels to which Obama is taking it, is new and astronomically so. He has outspent Bush by 4 times and he has only been in office 6 months. I would say that kind of unprecedented deficit spending IS new.
Pine Mt Beagles wrote:EVERY ONE CAN GET INSURANCE IT WILL HELP EVERONE, AND THE COMPETION SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT OUT OF BUSINESS YEARS AGO
Please give ONE example of a country that has used that philosophy and it turns out to be the TRUTH. You can't just make something up, say it, and expect that it should be accepted as TRUTHFUL. It is NOT TRUE and so your whole premise and conclusion fall in the face of logic.
Keep your Obama glasses pushed close up on your face or you will get a shock that your infallible Obama is falling due to his own horrendous policies that the republicans and Bush had nothing to do with.
We all can watch CNN, CBS and all the other network propaganda so when you come on here and put it in writing, we only see you as the mouthpiece for the presidents mouthpiece. You have no substance, you just repeat liberal, democrat speaking points and it just demonstrates why we don't want socialism in this country. You are told what to think and even how to share that thought in specific words. Any deviation from that model and you are lost with your own thoughts that don't line up with your training.
What was that cats name that stole millions with his ponzi scheme---- he's going to jail right. You guys are fighting over what side is right and wrong between the parties when the greatest ponzi scam of all times is going on under our noses right now. I will tell you that it was not one party that is doing this but the goverment as a whole. The idea of the scam is to get people to invest and maybe make a little money in the end, but instead the party that takes the money and miss uses it to fill their pockets or use for other purposes. Can anybody guess what this is, its been going on for years with dems and rep at the helm. Want a hint SS---- some will argue its not the same believe me its the same, so if the social securty system continues to fail as it is now you have been part of the goverments own ponzi scheme. It did not start out as this but now it is. Blinded by changing the rule mid stream.
What do you think Health care cost are going to do with a government owned monoploy in the health care sector??????????
2 asprin didn't cost $2200. The staff on duty, light bill, heat/air bill, the illegals bills that are never paid, etc.., etc.. IT IS CALLED OVERHEAD!!!!!!! The non inshured user's of the current system is what is hurting the current system. Thay are the one's forcing premiums prices to rise. Go back in the last 20 plus years, when ever government allowed modifications to health services (allowing non insured covered patience service) premiums went up..... OVERHEAD WENT UP......
hd--
THAT MIGHT BE OVER YOUR HEAD.............BUT I HAVE WATCHED ON SEVERAL OCASIONS DOCTORS TRIPLE BILL AND HAVE IN A COUPLE OF CASES BROUGHT IT TO THERE ATTENTION THEY SAID IT WAS THE BILLING DEPT.IF THE GOVERNMENT EVER CRACKED DOWN ON THESE DOCTORS OVER BILLING THE COST WOULD BE ABOUT A THIRD,AND IF THE OVER HEAD DRIVES THE COST UP THAT MUCH,THEY NEED SOME,REGULATION AND BAD,,-------------IF THE GOVERNMENT GET'S IN AND I KNOW LIKE YOU DO THAT, THAT IS NOT THE PLAN,THEY WILL REGULATE THESE OVER PRICING HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS,,,,,,,,,,,,,HERE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL SHOW YOU HOW STUPID THE OVER HEAD REMARK ACTUALLY WAS,,,,,,I WENT 2 WEEKS AGO AND GOT A FISH HOOK CUT OUT THE DOCTOR BILLED MY INSURANCE 1700.00 AND I HAVE NOT GOT THE BILL FROM THE E.R.YET.....TWO DAY'S AGO ANOTHER GUY I FISH WITH GOT ONE CUT OUT AT THE SAME E.R. HE PAID 254.00 HE HAD NO INSURANCE..OVER HEAD MY BUTT,ROBBERY,,,,,,,,
If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
I guess we can expect some "new" jobs in car dealer ownership soon then. That's how Obama creates new jobs. He takes them from the private sector and moves them into the government while paying for them with the taxes he collected from those who used to be employed by the auto industry. He also adds in a bunch of money that he has borrowed from the tragic future of this country.Yes we all expected it on the condition that Obama got his stimulus package passed. It was predicted to cause double digit unemployment by the republican economist. (A year ago it was called fear mongering). Obama's "economists" predicted that with the stimulus package, unemployment would NOT go over 8%. Some were looking at the TRUTH a year ago and some are trying to explain why the TRUTHis not their fault.We all can watch CNN, CBS and all the other network propaganda so when you come on here and put it in writing, we only see you as the mouthpiece for the presidents mouthpiece. You have no substance, you just repeat liberal, democrat speaking points and it just demonstrates why we don't want socialism in this country. You are told what to think and even how to share that thought in specific words. Any deviation from that model and you are lost with your own thoughts that don't line up with your training.
FIRST OFF PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS NOT HURT THE ECONOMY HE IS ONLY TRIYING TO REPAIR THE EXISISTING PROBLEM,,, EVERY ONE KNOW'S THAT,,,,,GEORGE BUSH PUT MORE PEOPLE TO WORK IN MADE UP JOBS IN THE GOVERNMENT. THAN HE CREATED ANYWHERE. AND HE ALSO ADDED BORROWED MONEY,FOR TWO WARS AND TO GIVE EVERY COUNTRY BUT AMERICA LOTS OF IT,,HE COULD NOT OR WOULD NOT HELP DROWNING AMERICANS HERE IN AMERICA,FEAR MONGERING IS WHAT THE BUSH MESSAGE WAS FOR -8- YEARS WAR- WAR- WAR,,,,,I WATCH EVERY NEWS CHANNEL BUT MY FAVORITE IS C-SPAN IT'S LIVE ANY REPUBLICAN THAT COULD POSSABLY CRITIZE PRESIDENT OBAMA,,AND VOTED FOR BUSH SHOULD ONLY BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE..HE CUT THE TAXES ON THE VERY RICH ,STARTED TWO WARS DESTROYED THE ECONOMY..DID NOTHING ABOUT ABORTION, GREW THE GOVERNMENT AT AN AL TIME HIGH.---NO I DON'T WANT ANY ECONOMIC OR SPENDING ADVICE FROM THEM WHAT CREATED THE PROBLEM,,,,,,,,,,,,GO AHEAD CALL ME A BUSH BASHER ,,,,THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH ,,,AND I DON'T GET MY NEWS FROM TV,,,,, GET OUT DRIVE AROUND THEN TALK ALL THAT B.S.,,,,,,,,, HOUSES FOR SELL ALL OVER BUSINESS DOORS CLOSED,,,,,,,,,,, IT IS CALLED THE REAL WORLD..I HAVE SAW HOUSES FOR SALE THAT FAMILY'S HAVE OWNED FOR YEARS,, BECAUSE OF MEDICAL BILLS HOSPITALS TOOK THEM,PEOPLE SELLING HOMES AND VEHICLES BECAUSE OF LOST JOBS THAT SAME OLD REPUBLICAN B.S. IS SICKENING,,,,,,,,,GET IN THE REAL WORLD,,,,,,,,,
If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
ok here is one for ya...
And Rufus I Agree the INSURANCE COs are the ones that need an OVERHAUL or the insurance System anyways..
But Caint See the GOV doing that heck they caint even regulate themselves!!!!
Went to the DRs office here awhile back at the Clinic recommended By our Insurance Co.
Now I pay $50 a week for BASIC (VERY BASIC) insurance for my Wife, 16 year old daughter, and myself..
The Office Billed my insurance $270.00 after my $25 co pay. the insurance decides that my share of this is $140 (stuff they didnt cover) ok So i have paid $165.00.. Went again and just happened to ask them how much if i pay CASH???
Get this the Total For the Same thing was $80 CASH or Credit Card they will even Except Debit cards....i Asked WHY it was CHEAPER to pay CASH??
because they Dont have to Fill out all the insurance paperwork She says!!!!!!
AND they get their money right away. With the insurance Co they have to Wait up to 90 Days...
Oh And a Question For yall
WHO is GONNA pay for this new plan Anyways????
I thought Obama promised NO MORE TAXES!!!!!!
The new plan Will cost the Average American Taxpayer another 5% to 7% NEW taxes...
The Other Plan is to increase taxes on Alcohol and Tobacco products (AGAIN) What are they Gonna Do if Everybody Quits Smokin and Drinkin Who will pay for it then?
From Field to Show and Show to Field the way it should be
catch 22 Obamo wants the insurance companies, heath care field to catch up with the electronic age good idea, so if or when they get all this done one person could do the work of five cutting down on time and man power, which will leave some people looking for a new line of work
The DEMOCRATS control the White House and Congress! When do they accept responsibility for what they ARE DOING NOW?----------------FOR ONLY ABOUT 6 MONTHS IT TOOK 8 YRS,,,TO MESS IT UP,,,, AND THEY WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN ABOUT -8-YRS,,,,
Now there's an original thought. How's he doing with that? Has unemployment gone up or down since he took office and started "trying to repair this"?---YOU TALK ABOUT A LOADED QUESTION==== DARN TIM ,,,YOU KNOW UNEMPLOYMENT WAS ON AN UPWARD SPIRAL THAT WILL NOT TURN AROUND FOR YEARS...
T.C.
I WILL HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU THE GOVERNMENT HAS A BAD TRACK RECORD ON MANAGEMENT,,,,,,,,,,,MAYBE THEY CAN HIRE ONE OF THESE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS,AND HE CAN HIRE SOME ILLEGALS,,TO KEEP THE COST DOWN ,,JUST A THOUGHT,
If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
Pine Mt Beagles wrote:Has unemployment gone up or down since he took office and started "trying to repair this"?---YOU TALK ABOUT A LOADED QUESTION==== DARN TIM ,,,YOU KNOW UNEMPLOYMENT WAS ON AN UPWARD SPIRAL THAT WILL NOT TURN AROUND FOR YEARS...
The unemployment according to Obama and his experts said that with his plan, unemployment would not go over 8% and yet the republicans said it would go into double digits with his plan. Now you are saying it will not turn around for years. Who's dealing with the TRUTH? Not you nor Obama. Just what the republicans said would happen is happening because of what Obama is doing. The question is not loaded with anything but FACTS. Don't let those get in your way now though, you've been getting along fine without them so far.
Rufus, here is the problem with your way of thinking...no matter how high the unemployment rate goes nationwide, YOU and other liberals will blame BUSH...if it goes to 15%, it will be Bush's fault because according to YOU it was spiraling upward anyway....OK.
So IF unemployment goes up its Bush's fault, but if unemployment goes DOWN the credit goes to OBAMA...right??
What if unemployment goes up and STAYS THERE?? Does it all lay at Bush's feet then or does OBAMA get the blame then??? If the blame gets shifted to OBAMA after unemployment goes up and stays there, at what point does he have to assume responsibility...you have stated that Bush had 8 years to run things so Obama SHOULD by all rights get that much time to fix things...but at what point in time does OBAMA have to take credit or blame for the way things are going??? You cannot have it both ways and you are trying to. Take spending for example...Obama has spent exponentially more than Bush ever did, yet you give Obama a pass saying he HAS to spend this money to try and fix the economy...yet Bush doesnt get any benefit of the doubt for the spending he did...you blame him unconditionally for the amount of money he spent...you cannot have things both ways. The unemployment rate has risen and will by most economists projections keep rising as more of the twisted financial policies are implemented...we have just seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to unemployment numbers...if you would take the obama blinders off you just might see another side of your chosen one.
BTW, here are a couple of links to some "spending stimulus" projects that were soooooo needed by the US....please read them, they made me angry and YOU SHOULD BE TOO!!!
