Progressive America

[bluegrass]

To say the economy is doing well you have to ignore two very important indicators:

GDP under 3% for 7 years and running...
Over 93 million not in the workforce.


Anyone who claims a robust, strong economy without accounting for these stats is either fooling themselves or trying to fool everyone else.

For the record I'm not a big Trump supporter...but I detest all things progressive (socialist). I'd vote for my Dobie before Hillary...or Johnson...or Stein...or any other idiot pushed by Glenn Beck.

[littlewoody]

I will tell you what I see . Democrats and republicans are one party behind The scene . fooling the American public . Both parties are caring out to destroy this country for the elite that rule the world . The elite are in a club called the brotherhood of Saturn . Everything that you see happening around the world it's all biblical . God says we don't fight against flesh and blood . The Elite have sold their soul to the devil . They control all corporations all religion and everyone in government that has leadership roles . Why do you think the Republican Party didn't do nothing against Obama ? They had both houses and the power of the purse and they didn't do anything to stop him ?

[Newt]

"our economy is doing good and who ever can't face the fact that a black man with a Muslim name can't have credit for what our economy is doing, then who can we praise?

It appears that you were the one who first mentioned "race".

If Obama's name was Nixon and he were a white republican he would have been impeached for the unconstitutional shenanigans he has pulled.

If you want to cure the problem, first we have to be honest and have honest messengers (MSM)

WARNING! The following message contains adult language. If you click the link make sure the children are not present.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpLAzAZXi2A

[pabstman]

Bluegrass you bring up a valid point. Now to bring back up what I asked in earlier post in regards to what you have said about GDP and a lot of people out of the work force.
Please read on convergence in relation to our economy(GDP) and also when I asked in an earlier post about who is of retirement age but still working? This poses a big problem for our economy. Grant it the economy down turn we had in 2008 mostly to blame on why so many older people are still in the work force.
I don't have anything bad to say about people of retirement age still working, you got to do what it takes. I understand. But its tough on our young people trying to step into the work force and they cant because people wont retire. To say this is the entire problem is completely wrong. But for businesses to flourish and grow you need fresh, new innovative ideas. Which come from a new set of eyes and ears from trained/educated people.
Republican or democrat, Liberal or conservative pushed aside. We need to know where all this money is coming from to buy these seats for our politicians. That's one of the biggest issues in my opinion.
Thanks again for all the input. Makes for a good discussion.

[pabstman]

Newt I did bring up race but I did not start to judge you or point fingers just looking to have a discussion. I'm not sure where you are, but where I am located our economy is booming. Like I said before I can only speak from my experiences and I give credit where credit is do. Regardless of party, race or gender.

[bluemouse]

The problem is not old folks want retire it the young people want get off facebook somebody has to do the work.

[pabstman]

I'm not sure what goes on facebook. I don't have an account but please elaborate on the topic more. What do you think a big reason is why we have so many people not working and our economy not doing well? Economy here in southern Indiana is doing well.

[bluemouse]

Pabstman if the younger crowd is not on facebook they are texing instead of working. here is a question to you why not go ask the folks in coal country hows the econmy is doing ask the mom and pop shops why they have closed. yes some parts of the country are doing better. But the money is moving south to escape the high taxes and regulations to the right to work states. You read between the lines. Also the folks from the north are moving south to escape the high taxes to follow the jobs again read between the lines.They are moving in masses you tell me why. I get sick of hearing yanks say we did not do it this way up north then I say move back its a two way road and they get that stupid look on their face. And yes you did bring up race in your original post. But that's why I brought up character to judge on not color. I might be wrong but from your post you might be a black man, I do not care what color you are I judge people by the actions and character above all. I believe your are seeking knowledge and if you seek truth you will find what you are looking for.

[pabstman]

I'm not black if that matters. Shouldn't in my opinion. I gave my opinion earlier with a question mark about economy and the president. Just looking for conversation and a chance to learn. Thanks for your input bluemouse.

[bluemouse]

I have said it a couple times character trumps color every time. To me if you have a beagle that can run a rabbit right you could be green and we could still be friends. and if you want to know if I have been thru hard times try eating grits with no salt or butter.

[Newt]

The answer is "Greed" and "Power".
When do folks have enough money? I'll use Bill and Hillary only because they illustrate my point. They both appear to be in poor health and are at the end of their life. Yet they are still using every means at their disposal, legal or illegal, to increase their wealth. Name one thing those "public servants" have ever done to improve the living conditions except their selves and those who help them attain wealth. Both probably will pass in the next ten years. So to what end are they cheating people.
I think they are typical politicians in DC, they just have been more successful. They are above the law and seem to have almost hero worship among their followers.
According to the Wikileaks info, the people who work for Bill and Hillary, question their judgement and logic in their methods, yet they keep on bringing in the money.
I have no clue how they dot it. Maybe its the obituary list of their friends and business associates.

[Newt]

Newt we went from economy to race and how the blacks are struggling with gangs, guns and violence and don't want to work??? We can shift gears....
It starts with education and opportunity as far as getting those people out of those situations. It starts somewhere and I'm not educated enough to know where. I do think people on welfare should be drug tested. You are most likely to grow up becoming something close to what you were raised around. That's the cycle you see with this gun violence and drugs and crime. Most of them are from uneducated disciples of welfare dependence. Good programs in place to help people but when do we pull the rug out from there feet is the tough decision???? Drug screening would do wonders....Please share your thoughts and refrain from passing judgement. I don't know you guys and you don't know me. I'm just looking to learn and have a conversation.

Thanks.

These programs that you speak of were not in place when I was a teenager. There were very few industrial jobs in the South in the fifties and sixties. Young Blacks, Whites, Browns, and every other description and ethnicity went north to Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois to work and improve their life.
Johnson started his "Great Society" in the 60s to end poverty. Then he escalated the Viet Nam war. Then the problems started. How to you pay for a stupid war, and pay for the additional social programs? When Nixon became President he went to China and made a deal.. We open our markets to China and their cheap labor and we would borrow from them. In addition Nixon removed the gold standard as a basis of our currancy

The article below explains it much better than I can.
"http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadl ... a29a876682.



Today, Aug. 15, 2011, is the 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon’s colossal error: severing the final link between the dollar and gold. No other single action by Nixon has had a more profound and deleterious effect on the American people. In the end, breaking the solemn promise that a dollar was worth 1/35th of an ounce of gold doomed his Presidency, and marked the beginning of the worst 40 years in American economic history.
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The announcement itself was dramatic, contained in a Sunday evening address to the nation from the Oval Office. The promises made were profound and reflected the received wisdom of that day and today: unshackling the U.S. government from the requirement of maintaining the dollar’s value in terms of gold would empower able men and women at the Federal Reserve to use monetary policy to increase the general prosperity of the American people.

Domestically, we were promised that the manipulation of quantity and value of a paper dollar would avoid costly recessions, provide high employment, and produce strong economic growth. Internationally, we were promised that the devaluation of the dollar would reduce our trade deficit and improve the international competitiveness of American workers and businesses. And, because trade was only one-tenth of the U.S. economy, all of this could be done while maintaining price stability.

Each and every one of these promises has been broken.

Since Nixon killed the gold standard, the unemployment rate has averaged over 6% and we have suffered the three worst recessions since the end of World War II. The unemployment rate averaged 8.5% in 1975, almost 10% in 1982, and has been above 8.8% for more than two years, with little evidence of any improvement ahead.

This performance is horrendous compared to the post World War II gold standard era, which lasted from 1947 to 1970. During those 21 years of economic ups and downs, unemployment averaged less than 5% and never rose above 7%.

Growth, too, has slowed. Since able men and women were given the power to manipulate the quantity and value of the dollar, real economic growth has averaged 2.9% a year – more than a full percentage point slower than the 4% growth rate during the post World War II gold standard era.

A 1% difference may not seem like much, but in reality it is the difference between prosperity and austerity. A growth rate of 3% creates just enough jobs for all new workers. A growth rate of 4% yields higher employment and a decline in the unemployment rate.

In addition, when compounded over 40 years, 1% slower growth under the paper dollar system has had a mind-boggling impact on all things that depend on the overall size of the U.S. economy. At 3% growth, the U.S. economy is about $8 trillion smaller than it would have been had we continued to experience the average growth rate prior to Nixon severing the link between dollar and gold. That implies that median family income today would be about $70,000, or nearly 50% higher than it is today.

[Newt]

Pabst, it appears that many other countries have figured it out. Maybe you should search for a European Board.

Seems like conservatism is winning everywhere but America
Conservatism in europe is about to enter a golden age, spurred by populist nationalism and belief in cultural objectivism. France is soon going to kick out hollande, the worst non-dictator European executive in 200 years. Merkel's "conservative" cdu party is losing seats to more right wings parties. Eastern europe is currently a hotbed for cultural conservatism. Then you have england, where brexit just happened and the conservative party in much better shape than the labor party.

In south America, left wing venezuela is collapsing, which will probably herald in some sort of conservative age. Brazil recently swept in conservative leaders.

Then you have America, where the exact opposite is happening.

[Newt]

"Please read on convergence in relation to our economy(GDP) and also when I asked in an earlier post about who is of retirement age but still working? This poses a big problem for our economy. Grant it the economy down turn we had in 2008 mostly to blame on why so many older people are still in the work force. "

The reason many retirement age folks are still in the work place is because they are making the business a profit. Businesses can't find millennials that will produce enough out put to make the business a profit. Many older folks need to work because they are rearing their grandchildren or great grand children. Kids are on drugs, have no marketable skills, or just too lazy to work for the wages for which they are qualified.

You accused me of bringing up race in an earlier post.
I did not bring up race to demean anyone. I used black unemployment as a statistic to refute your claim that the economy is doing great.
I used those statistics to point out that the folks who voted for Obama in mass, are the ones suffering most in this "roaring economy" that you speak of.

Obama also cured our health care problems. How is that working out. Hold on to your wallet.
He also healed the planet.
He ended wars.
He improved our standing in world powers eyes around the globe.
He gave us more confidence in the government.
Improved race relations.
At least that is what he promised.

[pabstman]

Newt in your original post you brought up race. Also the statement about roaring economy is something i did not say. I feel our economy is doing well and seeks great where i am located. The jobs are there people just need to show up. A lot of people are doing 2-3 peoples jobs and companies need help. Where i am i look everywhere new businesses, homes and jobs everywhere. People can't keep up. Had a sub of mine move back to where he is from to Oklahoma and he said he is so busy he cant think straight. I've said many times before i speak from my experiences and people i talk to. The post newt you just put up mentions convergence buts doesn't explain what you learned about it in relation to our economy or gdp? Help us out here.....