Progressive America

[Newt]

Newt in your original post you brought up race. Also the statement about roaring economy is something i did not say. I feel our economy is doing well and seeks great where i am located. The jobs are there people just need to show up. A lot of people are doing 2-3 peoples jobs and companies need help. Where i am i look everywhere new businesses, homes and jobs everywhere. People can't keep up. Had a sub of mine move back to where he is from to Oklahoma and he said he is so busy he cant think straight. I've said many times before i speak from my experiences and people i talk to. The post newt you just put up mentions convergence buts doesn't explain what you learned about it in relation to our economy or gdp? Help us out here.....

Maybe you could explain why the nation is going deeper in debt, yet the economy is " fine". I agree with you, people that have jobs are working long hours and can't keep up. Why do you think those folks are working such long hours? Why do you think more folks aren't looking for jobs that you point out are available. In the earlier post, I mentioned how young men for the South, once travelled to the Mid West to gain employment. What is the difference in then and now.,

I don't believe you can blame "convergence" for the stagnant economy. Its more government regulations and the cost of doing business.
I read recently that if you apply for a business licence in Cleveland, Ohio it takes about two years to get approval. In Texas it takes forty eight hours.
I suppose there is more convergence in Cleveland. Those figures may have changed since Kasich became Governor. He brags a lot but I don't know if he has any right to brag.

[pabstman]

Here is how I see it. The way I understand economics is this. If you and I have more money in our pockets to spend along with all the other middle class workers the economy would flourish. The top1% has way to much money and its not in our pockets to help the economy flourish. The economy where I am is doing good but I could only imagine the strength of our economy if the super rich wasn't holding so much money and had to pay there fair share (In Taxes). Its economics 101 in my opinion. We as the middle class make up most of the population and think we make a good living but don't realize the money that is out there. Deregulation seems like we would move backwards. The deregulation is what got us in trouble in 2008. The sad thing is, to bad the middle class folks can't afford the attorneys to help avoid paying so much in taxes.

[bluemouse]

How come the liberal always say the rich needs to pay their fair share. OK put a number on that or a percentage instead of just saying it. I have never heard a liberal define what their fair share is other that more more more. The dems had control 8 years ago and could have changed the tax code. Liberal use this crap to churn up the base then use the same laws to protect their money and their controllers money. Whats fair define it with a number.

[Rabbithoundjb]

I hear this all the time yet it is not true. The wealthiest 1% own 23% of the wealth and pay 37% of the annual federal income taxes. The top 10% pay 70% and the top 25% pay 85% of the annual federal taxes, these are only earners. Not to mention the more money you have the more property taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, luxuery taxes and so on you pay. The bottom 45% of earners pay no federal taxes. this isn't even addressing people who only take from tax payer revenue. It's a lie that the wealthy don't pay their fair share

[bluemouse]

Jb lets go a step further. The rich create jobs, construction, trucking, printing etc. They pay large sums to power companies, insurance companies, garbage collection etc. They pay city and towns for permits, also pay for license to doing business. I bet not one person that repeats this liberal trash has got the stones to go to the owners who gave them a job and express they make to much.

[Newt]

Progressives, Liberals, Socialists always blame someone else for their failures.
Remember, "You didn't build that".
Each step of decline is blamed on someone else. Iraq was George Bush's war, even though Hillary and most of the democrats voted for it. They were successful. The Republicans lost the control of Congress and two years later, their policies along with Bush's failure to promote the seriousness of the Real Estate mess. Despite Fran and Dodd assuring America that the economy was sound, they were successful in blaming on republicans.

Who voted for Obamacare.? Who warned it was a quagmire that would suck the life out of the economy?

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Earlier this week the White House announced Obamacare premiums across the country will increase yet again this year, despite President Obama promising the law would save families $2500 per year back in 2010. In Arizona, rate increases of 116 percent are expected, while other states brace for hikes of at least 25 percent. But despite making a laundry list of promises about decreased costs thanks to the "Affordable" Care Act, all of which have been broken, President Obama isn't taking responsibility for the healthcare takeover he once bragged about. In fact, he's saying he has nothing to do with the current rate crisis. "A lot of the times, they [media] just report 'premium increases' and everybody thinks 'wow, my insurance rates are going up, it must be Obama's fault,'" Obama said late last week during a speech in Miami. "I had nothing to do with that.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... e-n2237447

For anyone with a short memory or is a slow learner there is this. Maybe Obama should watch rather than reading it in the Newspaper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so

A thorough retrospective on media and politicians' statements on Obamacare

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Barack ObamaVerified account ?@BarackObama 15 Dec 2009 The stakes are enormous—if we don't get this done, your premiums are guaranteed to go up.


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The White HouseVerified account ?@WhiteHouse 14 Apr 2014 Lower-than-expected premiums under the #ACA will help reduce the cost of expanding coverage by $104 billion over the next decade. #ACAWorks


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Hillary ClintonVerified account ?@HillaryClinton 11 Feb 2016 "You know, before it was called Obamacare, it was called Hillarycare." #DemDebate


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Donna BrazileVerified account ?@donnabrazile 6 Sep 2014 Good news. That predicted double-digit rise in Obamacare premiums? Not happening.


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Barack ObamaVerified account ?@BarackObama 3 Sep 2012 President Obama in Toledo: "They call it Obamacare. It’s true—I care. The other side’s plan is the Romney Doesn’t Care plan.”


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The Hill ?@thehill 28 Jun 2012 .@NancyPelosi: "Now we can move forward to the full implementation of the law...the best is yet to come." #hcr #ACA


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The Hill ?@thehill 19 Jul 2012 .@NancyPelosi: Health law is an 'act of fiscal stability' #hcr #ACA


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The DemocratsVerified account ?@TheDemocrats 1 Dec 2009 WaPo's @EzraKlein: "premiums will go down for the vast majority of Americans" under health reform.


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The DemocratsVerified account ?@TheDemocrats 12 Nov 2014 Good news! Shopping for health insurance? Obamacare premiums are falling in major cities:


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Ezra KleinVerified account ?@ezraklein 24 Apr 2014 Obamacare will let Americans retire earlier:


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OFA TruthTeam ?@OFATruthTeam Fact checkers: No, health insurance premiums will not rise under Obamacare.


Vox: People love their Obamacare plans

Politifact: Rick Scott's claim that Obamacare will cause a rise in premiums is mostly false

[bluemouse]

liberals pushed this tax on the people then voted for the right not to be taxed. That tells the story . Oh forgot the Reps that join in with this lie. If they had to sign up for Obamacare it would be repelled tomorrow.

[pabstman]

I'm a fan of the flat tax. Not sure if that makes me liberal too....Like I said in my post the "super" rich. The ones you are speaking of aren't the ones I'm talking about.
You tell me what good Trump will do for our country? Will he buy us low and sell us out high. That's his motto we all know that. He wants public office to protect his interest. Lets face it we are doomed either way until we know who is financing our political offices.

[bluemouse]

Lord have mercy pabstman every thing you said about Trump, Clinton has been doing for 30 years. And if you don't know who is padding Clintons pockets your truly lost. Ever heard of wall street or George Soros or foreign goverments. Ok then tell me what amount or percentage do the super rich have to pay that will make you happy. Don't dodge the question again man up tell the truth about what you think is fair.

[bluemouse]

Here is some home work for you pabstman tell me how the super rich will benefit from a flat tax and how a flat tax will hurt the poor.

[Rabbithoundjb]

So Pabst who are these super rich that invest less in the economy than you do. I am also for a flat tax but those people who are feeding you the crap you are repeating won't ever pass a flat tax because they will loose the rhetoric/propaganda to buy jealous voters like you.

[Newt]

Pabst: Do you work for the government or have you ever worked for the government?
You said,
"Here is how I see it. The way I understand economics is this. If you and I have more money in our pockets to spend along with all the other middle class workers the economy would flourish. The top1% has way to much money and its not in our pockets to help the economy flourish."

Truth: Imagine you have a farm or business. If you have x amount of dollars in your pocket and you make a budget, then the government decides your are too wealthy. They tax your nest egg, until you have half what you started. Then they take what was yours and give half to your neighbour because he is poor. (The politicians keep the other half for campaign funds)
You had planned on hiring your neighbor, to come and work for you before he started receiving a government check. You offer him more money, paid in cash, so he doesn't have to pay income taxes. He reluctantly comes to work but now with the extra taxes and the higher cost of labor you can't make a profit. So you go bankrupt. The government sees a need and decides they will go into business to fill the vacuum you left. They don't know anything about farming or business, but who cares, they have a lifetime job as a bureaucrat, profit is not a motive, so they hire the brother in law to run that department. The new bureaucrat doesn't know anything about business but he wrote a paper once criticizing business practices and had it published. He doesn't know much about business but he learns quickly, that if he has enough workers to supervise, he can qualify for more money. So he increases the number of subordinates in his department.


You remember a few years back the Obama Progressive Cartel voted to make huge Wall Street Banks "too big to fail". Do you keep up with who is paying Bill and Hillary millions of dollars for speeches? Have Bill and Hillary ever ran a business or owned Bank? What could they possibly tell the super rich that would be worth millions of dollars.
Would you pay either of them ten dollars to listen to them give a speech on how to succeed? Probably not unless you wanted to spend the rest of your life in prison.
Have the Progressives in the last fifty years done anything to punish the one percenters. Its just a slogan used to keep the poor voting and falling for their lies.
Oh they sic the Justice Dept on the the big banks unfair business practices. But when they find cheating they publicly announce a huge fine. Then money from the fine goes, not back to the injured parties, but to a special fund created by the government. In some cases they work out a deal so the fine is reduced about ninty percent and the ten percent goes in the a "Community Service" organization. This organization is a front for a get out the vote for progressive candidates. Remember, Obama was Community Organizer prior to his political career. I once wondered who paid for Barry and Michels' salary when they were doing community service work. (We do but it is filtered through big business to hide it.)

You notice that Hillary is running on a slogan of "together we are strong". Then she calls Trump supporters, deplorables. Is that a message of "unity"?
Obama started his term pitting one group against another. Race relations are as bad, if you can believe the MSM, as they have been since the 60s. What caused this? Its easier to keep folks on the democrat/progressive plantation if they believe they are victims. The poor vs the one percenters. Christians vs Athiests, veterans vs traitors, white vs black, .

I know that you are young, but don't be naive, that is bull crap to buy votes. Progressives have used the slogans "help the poor, help African Americans, and improve education as long as I can remember, and nothing changes.

Hillary promised yesterday to put ten million dollars into the ghettos. That is taxpayers money That means more strain on American businesses. Wonder why she and Bill don't use some of the Foundation money to start a pilot program in Detroit. Once it has been proven successful, those "one percenters" would pour billions into those housing project communities.

[bluegrass]

I don't understand the thinking that says Trump is only running to protect HIS business interests...


So you're telling me that a billionaire decides to have his name drug through the proverbial mud, volunteers to be called every name in the libtard handbook, uses his own money to be slandered and ridiculed....at the vigorous age of 70...all to PROTECT HIS OWN BUSINESS INTERESTS?

Doesn't make any sense...surely you don't believe that.

[Newt]

I'm a fan of the flat tax. Not sure if that makes me liberal too....Like I said in my post the "super" rich. The ones you are speaking of aren't the ones I'm talking about.
You tell me what good Trump will do for our country? Will he buy us low and sell us out high. That's his motto we all know that. He wants public office to protect his interest. Lets face it we are doomed either way until we know who is financing our political offices.

Being for a Flat Tax doesn't make you a Liberal. Can you name a Liberal Politician that has promoted a flat tax?

We don't know what good Trump will do for the country. However the establishment politicians have a record. Name something Obama or Hillary have done for the country. Those two have been on a government teat since they left college and probably had their college paid as well .
Can you name any decade in Hillay's professional career that she wasn't involved in scandal. How many managers working for the Democratic Party have been forced to resign or have come to mysterious deaths during this campaign.. One last week was seeking political asylum in Russia. I doubt you can name any public figure, discounting the Mafia, that has had as many business acquaintances or friends that have had mysterious deaths as the Clintons.
Even Lyndon Johnson nor the Kennedys have had that much attrition surrounding the careers.
Richard Nixon is supposedly the most dangerous and dirty politician of the last century and I don't remember any scandal except his second term in office. After seeing the smear of Trump by the left wing media, heck Nixon may have been set up.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Nixon was paranoid, the Clintons are criminals.