Obama or McCain?

[bluegrass]

Uh, "Dr Chris", you are truly a political idiot...


All your rebuttals were taken from Obama's website...DUH!!!!!

What a joke to take info from the guy in question...


I can just hear the conversation now...

Judge: "OJ Simpson, did you kill your wife and another man?"
OJ: "No, I didnt"
Judge " My verdict, NOT GUILTY"
Prosecutor "Your honor, how can you find him not guilty already, we havent had a trial and I have this mountain of evidence??"
Judge "Well, he says he's innocent, thats good enough for me."

You can take Obama's word on these things or you can look at the evidence and decide from that. I dont think I will take the word of a man who has ties to corrupt organizations, domestic terrorists, is celebrated by Muslim Terrorists worldwide, supports abortion in every form, and is a Socialist up one side and down another...keep your head in the sand "Dr Chris". You just might get the president you deserve.

Tony

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Preach on brother Tony. That was a nice analogy about the Juice above. Made me laugh out loud. You mean to tell me Dr. Chris has been getting all his data off Nobama's website? Shame!
It is OK,,,,I have made my inner peace. If Obama's elected I will never look to him as my president and will count the days down until his sorry is out of office. Maybe this country needs a wake up call...and revival.

[MObeagler79]

He's regularly attended church with his wife and daughters for years.

And you think THAT church is something to be proud of?

[lab]

My feeling is most people have made up there mind who they are voting far. The people who have enjoyed the last 8 years under Bush is going to vote for McCain. You may like that McCain served in the Arm forces. The ones that want to see change is going for Obama. It hard for me to believe that Collin Powell would change sides from being a Republican to vote for Obama if he thought obama was a terrorist . I know alot of people will say because both men are black that is why he went over to Obama side. I don't believe that. I believe Collin Powell must see some good in Obama and believes this man can lead or country out of this economic turmoil. We can argue politics all day but the sad thing about someone running for office is the media and some bad people out there can make up such lies about the person running for office that people on the outside hear it and believe it.I have always believed if I don't see it for myself or hear it from his or her mouth I don't put much stock in it . What I can't believe is people is making Obama out to be a terroist because he was on a commitee with Ayers. Now what is the Univ. Of Chicago doing hiring a man of his nature. All I can say is Do your research on both men and then decide who will be best to turn this country around. You guys that are afraid we may get are guns taken away we may not have to worry about it if the economy does not get better. we may have to sell them all to pay bills. In some of the early readings I see people bashing Unions. Yes some Unions have gain strength but not like they did back in the 60's and 70's. Unions were made up so the company people could not take advantage of you. Giving you low wages and no overtime pay. Advancement are made on how long you been there not on how much a--you kissed. Health benefits and retirement program also play a big part in joining a Union : I had a Dad who served in the glassworkers Union and I used to hear him talk about how the company always wanting to take away their benefits or not give any new payhikes. Since Union are getting less stronger I see companies doing just that to their workers. In my opionion if Union ever fold up I feel most of us will be working for starting wages and no benefits to talk about. Right now I feel Unions are the reason that most people are making good wages and are given some type of Health plan. Most companies don't care about there workers (they say they do)they just care about how much they are making. Yes companies are going overseas and yes you can blame it on the Unions but the truth is they are getting such cheap labor over in Mexico, China, Pakastan and those other coutries with the open trade laws that these companies know they are putting lot more money in there pockets. How many have price a automobile from overseas lately. Not much of a price different then the American made vehicles. I do believe that there is just as good as workers that are Non Union as there is Union workers. Just because you join a Union it does not make you a better person or a better worker it just makes sure company people don't take advantage of you. If you are out there busting your butt and making money for the company then they should be willing to spend some of that money on the employees. Unions are there to see it is being done. For you people who belong to Unions and think those Union people do not do anything for you then think about the next time your children or yourself needs medical attention and think about how Unions fought to get you a Insurance plan. Think how they fought to keep up the cost of living by getting raises to help you cope out there in life.

[Honey Pot Hounds]

Can't believe 10 gunners/beaglers on this forum who are actually going to vote for Obama. This is troubling for me. I would expect this board to have voted 95% or better against Obama and the liberal cool-aid drinkers. We always said in the military there would always be the 5%'ers but not the 25%'ers. This is not a good sign my friends. God help us... We are in it deep.

Americans have lost their way for sure. Maybe it's the cyclical nature of things...America was born on freedom and independence and now we are at risk of losing it and becoming socialist and WEAK. So we will suffer and be smacked hard, and then maybe American's (if there are any left) will rise and fight for freedom again....and maybe they will remember lessons learned for a few generations before their rebelling youngsters decide change, any change, is the answer..and the cycle will begin all over again.

Then again, maybe we are just SCREWED as the intelligent people continue to become the minority and the idiots breed like rats and out populate us...

[bluegrass]

Slowly slipping towards IDIOCRACY....rent or buy the movie and you will see kinda where we are headed...



Tony

[Newt]

I'm curious who Obama supporters think he will appoint to his cabinet? I haven't seen any of his friends, confidants who are friends of America. He keeps most of his life a secret.

[Dr. Chris]

Uh, "Dr Chris", you are truly a political idiot...


All your rebuttals were taken from Obama's website...DUH!!!!!

What a joke to take info from the guy in question...


I can just hear the conversation now...

Judge: "OJ Simpson, did you kill your wife and another man?"
OJ: "No, I didnt"
Judge " My verdict, NOT GUILTY"
Prosecutor "Your honor, how can you find him not guilty already, we havent had a trial and I have this mountain of evidence??"
Judge "Well, he says he's innocent, thats good enough for me."

You can take Obama's word on these things or you can look at the evidence and decide from that. I dont think I will take the word of a man who has ties to corrupt organizations, domestic terrorists, is celebrated by Muslim Terrorists worldwide, supports abortion in every form, and is a Socialist up one side and down another...keep your head in the sand "Dr Chris". You just might get the president you deserve.

Tony

I am a political idiot? Tony, Tony you once again are revealing your ignorance. Who do you think creates {hired} links that are anti-McCain & pro-Obama? The Obama campaign! Who do you think promotes and creates {hired} anti-Obama & pro-McCain links and sites? The McCain campaign. The very few independent sites that are not affiliated with either party are usually biased. I go Directly to Obama's site as well as the McCain site not to hear what they have to say, but to get links or places that I can go to get proof of their "claims". Obama seems to have nothing to hide. They give names, dates, times and the legal "court records" addresses and phone numbers to check out any allegation you want. Just like his birth certificate, it is in the court system and a part of Hawaii court records. It is public records which is open to public access. That is why that story died so quickly, it was easily proven to be a wild accusation that was proven to be a lie. You don't have to get on here and spew out a bunch of wild accusations and lies and act like the local "church gossip lady". You can actually find out some facts for yourself, like I have. But after reading your posts, you strike me to be the type that feeds off gossip and controversy rather than focusing on what is actually the truth. Next, you might try to tell us that Big Foot was captured, the Lockness Monster is real, UFO's beamed you up for a few days and we really never walked on the moon, it was really filmed in Hollywood. How about this, from now on don't put anymore gossip second hand garbage on here. Just put the facts coming straight from the horses mouth {being; McCain, Obama, Biden or Palin}. I will let you chew on these three things that reveal the dishonesty and ignorance of McCain & Palin. I would love to hear your explanation of these "political idiots", since it is coming straight from their own mouths.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E

[Collins Country]

what an idiot! taking so-called "truthful" information from the lier himself! you need to run for president, people would be stupid enough to vote for ya!

[tommyg]

Obama is the last thing this country needs. Its a shame their are actualy voteing for him shows what the 60's done for this nation. I find it hard to belive that gun toteing hunters vote for a Liberal. Chief and Doc you are sad.

[tommyg]

Bash & Toasting a Former PLO Operative... Refuse to Release the Video!

Introduction: The LA Times is holding a video that shows Barack Obama celebrating with a group of Palestinians who are openly hostile towards Israel. Barack Obama even gives a toast to a former PLO operative at this celebration. If the American public saw this side of Barack Obama he would never be elected president.
But, the media refuses to release this video.

LA Times writer Peter Wallsten wrote about Barack Obama's close association with former Palestinian operative Rashid Khalidi back in April.
Wallsten discussed a dinner held back in 2003 in honor of Khalidi, a critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights.
Barack Obama has denied his close association with Khalidi, too.

According to Wallsten the evening not surprisingly turned into a classic Jew-bash:


"During the dinner a young Palestinian American recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, "then you will never see a day of peace."

One speaker likened "Zionist settlers on the West Bank" to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been "blinded by ideology."
Barack Obama also praised the former PLO operative during the event.
And, Obama confessed that his family often shared dinner with the Khalidis:


His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases... It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."

...The event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times.
Khalidi and the Obamas were great friends in Chicago and often shared meals together.
By the way, Khalidi was also best friends with Bill Ayers.

Terrorist Bill Ayers--- Barack Obama--- Jew-hater Rashid Khalidi

On Wednesday I talked with Peter Wallsten from the Los Angeles Times about the article on Obama and Khalidi:


Wallston was one of the few mainstream media reporters to report on this radical Obama associate.

Wallston said that the article was written after he watched video taken at the Khalidi going away party. When I asked him about the video he said that as far as he was concerned he was through with the story.

I asked him if he was planning on releasing this video of Obama toasting the radical Khalidi at this Jew-bash. He told me he was not releasing the video. He also would not comment on his source for the video. Wallston also said he did not know if Khalidi's good friend Bill Ayers was at the event or not.
So, there you have it.
The LA Times has video of Obama toasting a former PLO operative at a Jew-bash but will not release the video.
This is outrageous.
Obviously, this video would do great damage to Obama who struggles with Jewish voters due to his circle of close anti-Semitic friends.
Maybe this is the reason it is not being released?

More on Khalidi---
Not only does Barack Obama's church of 20 years support Hamas and Hezbollah but Barack Obama also has a longtime close friendship and financial association with suspected former PLO operative and Israel hater Rashid Khalidi.
Earlier this month Sean Hannity dared to report on Barack and Michelle Obama's radical associate and friend, Rashid Khalidi:

[Dr. Chris]

Bash & Toasting a Former PLO Operative... Refuse to Release the Video!

Introduction: The LA Times is holding a video that shows Barack Obama celebrating with a group of Palestinians who are openly hostile towards Israel. Barack Obama even gives a toast to a former PLO operative at this celebration. If the American public saw this side of Barack Obama he would never be elected president.
But, the media refuses to release this video.

LA Times writer Peter Wallsten wrote about Barack Obama's close association with former Palestinian operative Rashid Khalidi back in April.
Wallsten discussed a dinner held back in 2003 in honor of Khalidi, a critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights.
Barack Obama has denied his close association with Khalidi, too.

According to Wallsten the evening not surprisingly turned into a classic Jew-bash:


"During the dinner a young Palestinian American recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, "then you will never see a day of peace."

One speaker likened "Zionist settlers on the West Bank" to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been "blinded by ideology."
Barack Obama also praised the former PLO operative during the event.
And, Obama confessed that his family often shared dinner with the Khalidis:


His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases... It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."

...The event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times.
Khalidi and the Obamas were great friends in Chicago and often shared meals together.
By the way, Khalidi was also best friends with Bill Ayers.

Terrorist Bill Ayers--- Barack Obama--- Jew-hater Rashid Khalidi

On Wednesday I talked with Peter Wallsten from the Los Angeles Times about the article on Obama and Khalidi:


Wallston was one of the few mainstream media reporters to report on this radical Obama associate.

Wallston said that the article was written after he watched video taken at the Khalidi going away party. When I asked him about the video he said that as far as he was concerned he was through with the story.

I asked him if he was planning on releasing this video of Obama toasting the radical Khalidi at this Jew-bash. He told me he was not releasing the video. He also would not comment on his source for the video. Wallston also said he did not know if Khalidi's good friend Bill Ayers was at the event or not.
So, there you have it.
The LA Times has video of Obama toasting a former PLO operative at a Jew-bash but will not release the video.
This is outrageous.
Obviously, this video would do great damage to Obama who struggles with Jewish voters due to his circle of close anti-Semitic friends.
Maybe this is the reason it is not being released?

More on Khalidi---
Not only does Barack Obama's church of 20 years support Hamas and Hezbollah but Barack Obama also has a longtime close friendship and financial association with suspected former PLO operative and Israel hater Rashid Khalidi.
Earlier this month Sean Hannity dared to report on Barack and Michelle Obama's radical associate and friend, Rashid Khalidi:

Obama Offers Forceful Support For Israel
Presumptive Democratic Nominee Lays Out McCain Critique
Wednesday, June 4, 2008 – updated: 12:31 pm EDT June 4, 2008

The day after Barack Obama claimed victory in the Democratic primary race, he went before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee to forcefully declare his support for Israel, argue for strong diplomacy in the Middle East, and criticize rival John McCain for supporting a "plan for staying, not a plan for victory" in Iraq.

The U.S.-led Iraq war has allowed Iran to build its influence, "and the United States and Israel are less secure," he said. Condemning its leader for denying the Holocaust, threatening Israel, trying to attain nuclear weapons and arm Hamas and other organizations, Obama said, "Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is nonnegotiable."

Obama also said that Hamas and Hezbollah must renounce terrorism and recognize Israel's right to exist before the United States would consider engaging with them in diplomacy. He added that such negotiations would only take place at a time and location chosen by the United States, and would only go forward if the negotiations served U.S. foreign policy goals.

McCain spoke to AIPAC last week and accused Obama of offering to meet with U.S. enemies in the Middle East without such preconditions.

"Rather than sitting down unconditionally with the Iranian president or supreme leader in the hope that we can talk sense into them, we must create the real-world pressures that will peacefully but decisively change the path they are on," McCain said.

Officials from the United States and Israel said Tuesday the rest of the world isn't doing enough to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons and accused Iran of continuing a covert drive for the weapons, although U.S. intelligence has said Tehran quit its active warhead program years ago.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Israel's embattled leader, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, both used speeches to a pro-Israel lobbying group to complain that European and other nations are undermining the hard line against Iran's nuclear program by pursuing business relationships with Tehran.

"Our partners in Europe and beyond need to exploit Iran's vulnerabilities more vigorously and impose greater costs on the regime - economically, financially, politically and diplomatically," Rice said.

Olmert went further, saying in a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that other countries should penalize Iran by barring business travelers, blocking financial transactions and imposing sanctions on Iran's import of refined gasoline and on countries that perform that task for oil-rich but facilities-poor Iran.

"Each and every country must understand that the long-term cost of a nuclear Iran greatly outweighs the short-term benefits of doing business with Iran," Olmert said.

[Dr. Chris]

Bash & Toasting a Former PLO Operative... Refuse to Release the Video!

Introduction: The LA Times is holding a video that shows Barack Obama celebrating with a group of Palestinians who are openly hostile towards Israel. Barack Obama even gives a toast to a former PLO operative at this celebration. If the American public saw this side of Barack Obama he would never be elected president.
But, the media refuses to release this video.

LA Times writer Peter Wallsten wrote about Barack Obama's close association with former Palestinian operative Rashid Khalidi back in April.
Wallsten discussed a dinner held back in 2003 in honor of Khalidi, a critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights.
Barack Obama has denied his close association with Khalidi, too.

According to Wallsten the evening not surprisingly turned into a classic Jew-bash:


"During the dinner a young Palestinian American recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, "then you will never see a day of peace."

One speaker likened "Zionist settlers on the West Bank" to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been "blinded by ideology."
Barack Obama also praised the former PLO operative during the event.
And, Obama confessed that his family often shared dinner with the Khalidis:


His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases... It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation -- a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."

...The event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times.
Khalidi and the Obamas were great friends in Chicago and often shared meals together.
By the way, Khalidi was also best friends with Bill Ayers.

Terrorist Bill Ayers--- Barack Obama--- Jew-hater Rashid Khalidi

On Wednesday I talked with Peter Wallsten from the Los Angeles Times about the article on Obama and Khalidi:


Wallston was one of the few mainstream media reporters to report on this radical Obama associate.

Wallston said that the article was written after he watched video taken at the Khalidi going away party. When I asked him about the video he said that as far as he was concerned he was through with the story.

I asked him if he was planning on releasing this video of Obama toasting the radical Khalidi at this Jew-bash. He told me he was not releasing the video. He also would not comment on his source for the video. Wallston also said he did not know if Khalidi's good friend Bill Ayers was at the event or not.
So, there you have it.
The LA Times has video of Obama toasting a former PLO operative at a Jew-bash but will not release the video.
This is outrageous.
Obviously, this video would do great damage to Obama who struggles with Jewish voters due to his circle of close anti-Semitic friends.
Maybe this is the reason it is not being released?

More on Khalidi---
Not only does Barack Obama's church of 20 years support Hamas and Hezbollah but Barack Obama also has a longtime close friendship and financial association with suspected former PLO operative and Israel hater Rashid Khalidi.
Earlier this month Sean Hannity dared to report on Barack and Michelle Obama's radical associate and friend, Rashid Khalidi:

Israeli family welcomes Obama
‘This terror is intolerable,’ he says after touring their home, damaged by a Palestinian rocket. McCain visited them in March.

By Richard Boudreaux and Batsheva Sobelman
July 24, 2008 in print edition A-13

Barack Obama stood amid the debris in Pinhas Amar’s kitchen, an arm around his host. The Orthodox religious scribe recalled matter-of-factly how a rocket had crashed through the ceiling. Then Amar blessed the Democratic candidate, praying for his success.

“He smiled and said, if he did become president, I would be among his first guests in the White House,” Amar said later, describing the scene. “I said, ‘Don’t forget me,’ and indeed I believe he will not.”

It was an unusual moment in a presidential campaign being waged in part beyond America’s borders, a race the Amar household has witnessed more intimately than perhaps any family outside the U.S.

The Amars gave John McCain, the all-but-certain Republican nominee, the same tour of their damaged home in March. On Wednesday it was his rival’s turn, as Obama visited Israel to show voters that he too cares about the security of the Jewish state.

Israel’s defense minister had chosen the Moroccan Jewish couple and their children as a poster family for this battered desert town. He escorted each of the rival candidates to the Amars’ yellow stone house on Sinai Street to emphasize the threat from Palestinian rockets from the nearby Gaza Strip.

Pinhas and Aliza Amar treated both senators like royalty and said they felt the Americans’ empathy during the brief visits. Their discussions did not touch on politics or the choices Israel and the U.S. face in confronting Islamic militants in the Middle East.

But like Israelis debating anything important, they came to differing conclusions about the two men.

Pinhas, a thoughtful 48-year-old with graying hair, said he was taken by Obama, more a feeling than anything else.

“Obama has this personal charm, and it looks like it’s going to get him elected,” he said. “McCain too is a very impressive man, a man with a special story … and that gives him stature.

“But Obama seems to come across better,” he said. “He has a charismatic presence… . McCain was a bit more distant.”

Aliza Amar, 40, an energetic, round-faced woman in a pale pink head scarf and chic gold-framed eyeglasses, reserved her judgment. Since meeting McCain, she has followed his speeches. “He hasn’t forgotten Israel,” she said. “He always sounds quite determined and adamant in his opinion that [Israel] is an important issue.”

As for Obama, “I know that he too supports Israel.” The question for whoever gets elected, she concluded, is “whether their actions support their words.”

Like other communities on the front line of Israel’s conflict, Sderot is a bastion of conservative politics and hardened skeptics of the U.S.-brokered Israeli-Palestinian peace talks Obama and McCain support.

Thousands of crude, wildly inaccurate Kassam rockets have struck in and around this town in the last eight years, killing more than a dozen people and damaging hundreds of homes. Until Israel reached a cease-fire a month ago with Hamas, the militant group that runs Gaza, Sderot often experienced several attacks a day, preceded by sirens that gave residents 15 seconds to seek cover.

Aliza Amar is partly disabled by a series of strokes. The impact of the rocket that crashed through her roof in December knocked her from her wheelchair, and her knee was pierced with shrapnel.

The family is renting a house down the street while the roof is being replaced, a task slowed by sluggish insurance procedures.

Moving about with a cane, Aliza worked two cellphones Wednesday as she presided over a platoon of relatives and neighbors preparing traditional Moroccan pastries and gifts for the Illinois senator and his delegation.

“I’m glad for the attention,” she said. “It would be easy enough to forget about us during this so-called truce. The fear is constant. You never know when the rockets will start again.”

Obama arrived in the late afternoon, escorted by Sderot’s mayor and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak. They were greeted by the couple and their three daughters.

The presidential hopeful “walked in as though he knew the place,” Aliza said. “He was uninhibited and made us feel comfortable.” He shook everyone’s hands, and Aliza kissed him on the cheek. Pinhas took him in the kitchen, still littered with fragments of the roof, and recounted the attack.

Later, Obama mentioned the Amars as an example of “the resilience of the people of Sderot and the people of Israel.” He said: “The family that had seen a rocket go through their house, they were rebuilding, not moving away.

“This terror is intolerable,” he declared. And though he was hopeful about a lasting peace deal, he said, “America must always stand up for Israel’s right to defend itself.”

After the candidate left, the Amars’ eldest daughter, Tamar, 22, said she felt Obama had connected with the town.

“It is true that he came for his own reasons and for a political end, but you could tell that he realized there was something beyond that,” she said. “Many politicians have been through Sderot, and I have seen many. Today I saw someone who’s also real.”

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

http://americanbeagler.huntingboards.co ... 22&t=42633

Don't think so Dr. Chris! Maybe you didn't look at the post above.

[bluegrass]

Dr Chris...the Marxists of the world have a name for guys like you....they call you a "useful idiot"...


Keep carrying the water for Obama...you are fighting a losing battle here, maybe you should go to the Daily Kos so you can be around more of your ilk...Obama is a COMMUNIST...I firmly believe this after listening to the tape released today of his radio interview back in 2001...



Tony